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Author Topic: What are the Rank Requirements?  (Read 6984 times)

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What are the Rank Requirements?
« on: June 04, 2006, 09:13:15 AM »

The requirements are all listed on page
http://www.hockscqc.com/cqcg/index.htm

Just scroll down and see the lists.
Pick the course and look at the level and you'll see the required modules for that level.

It is not completely clear because the Unarmed course has strike modules, kick modules and takedown modules. But this gives you the idea. It is like a college education, isn't it?
That is my design, to be this thorough. You pick and choose through experimentation, your favorite things. As an instructor you must know a lot so your students can pick their favoritie things and/or become instructors. This is Harvard or Yale of all this information.

In all the marketing hubbub of folks making super-quick, fast, easy, courses, etc, someone has to run and maintain the one comprehensive big, tactical library. That's my job.

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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2006, 08:08:28 AM »

Specifics of the requirements level by level, module by module are found in the course outlines.

One of the purposes of the Training Mission Books is to have the hand, stick, knife and gun outlines for that level in the back of addendum of each book. Books TM 1 thru TM 5 are done. A total of some 10,000 how-to photos with text and essays. TM6 will be done by December, 2006
 
The course outlines can be obtained for 6 thru 10 in simple outline form.

And levels 1-10 outlines can be obtained also...
http://www.hockscqc.com/shop/index.html


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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2007, 12:32:25 PM »

"What will it take for me to get my Advanced, Level 6 Gun Instructorship? I shoot a lot and am quite proficent."

To get level 6 in the gun course, you have to obviously work the six levels of the actual Gun/Counter-Gun course (all tactics and sims shoot-outs), with some proficiency, and in addition to this, complete 6 different, live fire courses, all different in some common sense distinction.  The key being common sense.

For examples:

A police officer background.
    The police academy - counts as one course
    A live fire, say... Gunsite street survival course - counts as one more course
    A live fire, say... Frontsite street survival course - counts as one more course.
    Attending the same Frontsite survival course...twice...does not count at all.
    Just shooting qualifications once a year for ten years does not count as 10 courses.
    Specialized police training - say your range officers bulid a unique, shoot-house 1-day course - its counts


Military example
    Basic training - counts as one course
    Advanced...say, Infantry school -  counts as one more course
    Sniper school - counts as one more course
    Green Beret - been to NUMEROUS, different shooting schools - all counting
    Regular, annual refreshers - do not count

 Civilian example
   Concealed carry course of any state - counts as one course
   Say...Krystek PFC Self Protection course - counts as one more course
   Say...Thunder Ranch Rifle course - counts as one more course
   Say...Billy Bob's 2 day "Intro to Shotgun" in Bumsex, CN. - yes, counts as one more course if its decent.
   Shooting a lot at the range - does not count.

Stuff like that. It is an awesome responsibility to issue rank paper in a gun course, and all participants must have extensive, prove-able live fire experience.

Also, one more note...just getting a whole bunch of "basic level 1" pistol courses becomes really redundant...so some ladder of advancement is better. Common sense dictates. Very quickly, Level 1 gets pretty redundant even form different "schools." Different title courses are much smater and better.

Hock
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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 01:05:08 PM »

Hey Hock,
Have you ever had to fail someone or tell them they need more practice?
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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 02:20:00 PM »

Usually they won't be tested in the first place. Almost all people are known by the local instructor and known to pass the requirements.

Level 1 is ever so simple. Can't recall anyone not doing that. I can do that cold to almost anyone and they do well.

People needing Level 9? I usually asked them to take a shot at the Level 9 AND Level 10 and if they fail, they at least get level 9 and get something.

People have taken group tests that are centered around one or two other people officially taking the test for a certain rank. Its great exercise and a "check-where-you-are workout, but in this sense, lots of people have not passed tests. Tried, but it was a longshot anyway. In this situation numerous people have..."failed."

The testing is usually done by local committee and decision. I value the opinion of the the local guy who knows the students.

Hock

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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 09:18:49 PM »

Yep and I've seen Hock not offer rank because we didn't get to what we needed to at seminars and have very hard looks and internal debates when a couple cats in a whole seminar group just weren't getting it.(in this case I recall with some tips they caught on)

My point is by no means is the rank a "sure thing".

It's earned. 8)
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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2009, 05:41:21 AM »

I witnessed Hock turning down a student of mine who told Hock that he had covered the next level of gun material with me (when he actually hadn't) and wanted to pay Hock for the rank.  Of course, Hock already knew the status of each and every one of my students, because I update him with regular reports about all my guys.  Without embarrassing the guy, Hock politely suggested that he needed to study that level more in-depth and we would reassess the situation the next time around.

Hock has always shown a real interest in my students' progression.

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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 10:21:42 PM »

I have a question about gun classes. You provided excellent examples of qualifying firearms training. Would you consider three classes conducted back-to-back to be one course, or three? I ask because I attended a 6 day course at Firearms Academy of Seattle titled "FAS 345", which was comprised of three distinct courses that they normally teach at separate times. Enough of us asked to pack them together and save us from having to travel over and back each time.

The course content was something like "defensive handgun", "tactical handgun", and "advanced defensive handgun"

Oh, and while I'm at it, have you ever considered doing a longer class, ie, 4 or 6 days instead of two?

Thanks!
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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 11:58:29 PM »

If they were officially, usually three seperate course, that would be fine for three.

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Re: What are the Rank Requirements?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2010, 08:05:36 AM »

And...about the longest thing I do is 4 days once in awhile. They usually have guest instructors too. Then some 3-dayers.

I might do more, but behind the scenes 4 or more day semainrs takes special organization and advertising. I do kick around the idea of doing a 5-day knife session once in awhile. Start Monday morning with level 1 and progress all the way through the levels until Friday afternoon.

But it sounds like a lot of work and I am supposed to be retired!

Hock