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[Crazyguywithasword]

OK so Rich got the stats for blood loss from the Sykes and Fairbairn book "Get Tough."

[Hock]

Gotcha...
We'll take that into consideration.
Since neither Sykes nor Farbairn were doctors, they no doubt got those timings, from some medical source, maybe...probably English (?) circa 1930s or 1940s.

I have the entire, new US Military Combat Lifesaver course/manual and somewhere in there, I just know some bleeding info lurks. But the thing is REALLY thick and I just haven't gone though it yet.

Hock

[Adventure]

Thanks CGWAS.

Hock, when ever you get around to it that would be neat to know, thank you.


& where did you get that book?

[Hock]

It was a present from a SWAT Tac med guy.
It was in a giant looseleaf.

But type in

"Combat Life Saver"

or

"Combat Life Saver Program"

in the search engines and see what you get. Its an unclassified  governnment book and therefore is free.

Its the latest and greatest and received much fanfare when Afghan and Iraq first kicked up. Saved a lot of lives, still does.

The whole thing might be on the internet somewhere.

Hock

[Kentbob]

CLS is good stuff.  Its pretty basic first aid, coupled with some advanced trauma treatment, like gutshots and the like.  CLS is where I was told that we had less than 60 seconds to get a tourniquet around the femoral artery, or else our guy would bleed out.  Also good information on improvised stretchers, and I learned how to give an IV.  Took me a bit, but I got it.  Very important information for today's soldier or police.

Kent

[Hock]

This was in the works for awhile, but now finished.

Mike Janich, drawing from the work of a police officer's forensic investigation, Chistopher Grosz put together new information. New research discounts the WW II Applegate/Fairbarirns numbers

http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1475

Even at an elevated heart rate of 220 beats per minute ( a factor, by the way,  these WWII folks neglected to address - says Grosz and Janich) it takes about 68 seconds to bleed to unconsciousness with a severed carotid artery and 89 seconds on evergae to bleed to death.

Mike is very confident of the Grosz work, from a collection of medical examinars and forensic medical specialists.

Hock

[Karl]

The  link for Combat live safer.

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/CLSP/

[Hock]

Yes, and this information is different and more modern than the old information listed and repeated in and from these much older books...

Hock

[tkbill]

Hey, I recently got mike Janichs' new book martial blade concepts, and it has an updated more in depth study of the "timetable of death". The times given there are quite a bit different than the "get tough" version. The Radial is somewhere around 7 min, compared to the 2 min from the other book. If I can find it ill post some more if youd like.