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An old fashioned rag mop.

3 (13.6%)

A pool cue.

8 (36.4%)

A large book.

0 (0%)

Your own knife.

4 (18.2%)

A holstered handgun but with your assailant now within twenty feet of you.

7 (31.8%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: October 01, 2006, 03:38:38 PM

[arnold]

Yes as a matter of fact, this does have a story line behind it.
Did anybod else see the "Stupid in America" on the tube last night? made me almost fall out of my chair. This leads into my last post about that you can't fix stupid.
And now, on with Mr. Arnold's Neighborhood

Back a few weeks ago, I decided, as I always do,to be a warm caring and understanding husband and take my dear wifey for ice cream. She decided for me that she wanted to go to the local Braum's/ Which forhose of you not from here ike the old market style version of the ice cream shop/Dairy Queen, serving burgers and the like, along with all osrts of other assorted dairy crap.
Anyway, as alwys, we arrive and there is a line of 4-5 people. You would have thought that they were being held up. 4 totally mindless clerks that must of just gotter hired out of the local state school program for the mentally handicapped/brain dead program, running around looking for God knows what, as I patiently wait in line. 5 minutes or so goes by and they somehow manage to get the first person his vanilla cone, Saints preserve us. 1 down, 4 to go. The next is a young hispanic couple, probably illegals, wanting taco flavored ice cream or some shit. Nobody speaks spanish, ortex-mex or anything even closely resembling whatever dialect of drivel they were mumbling. Another 10 minutes, and these 2 manage to make it out to  their makshift pick up/illegal transport/lawn care who knows what and pull out and run into a car in the lot.
You would have thought there was a shooting. Every morons from behinf d the counter had to go out and look at it. The 19 year old 350 pound refugee from Katrina, stood there picking her nose, wonder what the hell she should do. The immense 450 pounder in front of me said "call the cope, let them handle it". Oh my God, an intelligent statement fromn the one directly in front of me.
I just knew it was too good to last, as she proceed to place her 12,000 calorie order.
"I'd like 3 scoops of blajh, with extra blah, nuts, more blah, could you put that in a larger dish blah, carmel, chocolate, vanilla cherries blah" They all just stood there like deer in the headlights. I just knew she was going to have to go and order allover again. Now 4 peple are working on this gastronomic concoction, dropping falling, slipping and just ingeneral, fucking up Godzilla's order. As I'm watching this show take place, I'm trying to remain calm as rolls of her fat are trying to jump out of her spandex, yes spandex pants. She turns to look at me, with her 5x5 dimensions and arms out at a 45 degree angle as her ass is larger than the average 71 Buick ( see previous post) and says, "I want what I want" My wife tells me to be nice. Be nice, I haven't said a thing and it's taken me almost 1/2 an hour to get a stinking ice cream. I couldn't stand it any longer and answered  Godzilla with, "well that's pretty obvious" You would have thought her head exploded. She wheeled around and pointed a sausage sized finger at me and told me I didn't understand Fat people. Yes I do, you're fucking fat, and disgusting, plus you smell bad because you probably can't get yor arm around your 80 inch hips after taking a dump. Which when you do, you probably have to file an environmental impact statement and notify the treatment plant that a major surge is coming their way. So turn you fat ass around, get your 12,000 calorie treat, throw you groos ugly butt into that pile of shit you drive, and go back to he dump you live in and inhale your treat as you watch reruns of 10 year old Oprah shows.
My wife turned green. Godzilla now speaks. "well I never" and at this point I cut her off. "Bullshit lard ass" Get the hell out of my face before I harpoon your fat ass" She grabbed her 43 pound sundae and hit the door.
Finally it's my turn. The zit faced victim of the local school system is now making an attempt at taking my order. "I would like a small Heath bar mix with vanilla ice cream, please" You would have thought I'd asked him to quote the periodic table of elements. "Huh" was his reply. OK, let's try it again. Get a small steel mixer, place some vanilla ice cream in it, along with 3 scoops of crushed heath bar, stick it in the mixer for about 20 seconds. Shove the whole thing in a small cup and give it to me along with a plastic spoon, as there are none here at the counter. "Huh" "Holy fooking shit Batman" "get your manager, you're too stupid to be breathing. So the older manager, who must have bee all of 21, takes my order. I repeat the whole thing, she manages to get it to me in record time. except one small detail, it has chocolate ice cream. AHHHHHHHHH. I asked for vanilla ice cream. "well you know we are busy and people make mistakes. "you're right" I responded, I came here thinking i was going to be able to place an order in plain english and get a simple request, but I was wrong" Finally after almost 40 minutes, I get what i came for. In the meantime my wife's order is already done and she is sitting ther smiling at me waiting for my cute self. I go to check out. I repeat what she had, as she gets the same thing every time, and tell them what I have as it's right in front of me. The register at this precise moment stops working. You would have thought that Armageddon had started. They could not figure out what to do."well, I'm going over to get my ice cream before it melt, when you figure out the cost, come and get me. They never came and got me. I approached the counter. I asked what my bill was. The manager blankly stared at me. "It's free" she stated. So I grabbed my wifey ever so gently by the arm and got the hell out ofthat zoo.
Moral of the story, buy ice cream at Wal Mart, and the tv show was right on 2countsand wrong on other. The schools do suck,correct statement, the treachers union is a joke, correct again, and the kids are not stupid, wrongo on this one.
Makes me tired just thinking about it. No wonder I take so many meds.

[410indashade]

You are going to get cut..

A person should really concetrate on minimizing the amount of times they get cut or stabbed as much as possible. While neutralizing the attacker with deadly force..

If you engage a knife fight you are going to get cut or even stabbed..
I strongly feel that students or instructors that say you won't get cut are selling magic...

Some are so stubborn to say "There is nothing one can do against a knife". This is purely defeatism..
You try and try and try to survive no matter what it takes...you keep going..

We assume our attacker is good with a knife or why are we even trying to train in the first place?
Their maybe times where some one walks away unscathed but Im sure its cases few and far between.

Come on guys everyone who logs on should have an opinion on this?

[kamagong]

Arnold, can you get a hernia from laughing so hard? 

[arnold]

Yes you can. But, since you now have had a look at some of the information in the super secret book, buy a purple t-shirt, have printed on the front "I fucking get it". And wear it to the next meeting you disrupt of the democratic party. Let them try to think what you are talking about. Sorry about all of the spelling and other crap lately, but there is some glitch in my wifey's computer that starts this nonsense.
Oh well, did anybody else have to shampoo the carpet this morning? Hmmm. And I still feel like a bag of smashed assholes. ( I haven't found anymore Nick, but as soon as I do, I'll get you some) Just went to class last night and sat and watched as it felt like my feet were not attached to my legs. The doctors are sending me for more test this am. Probably want to x-ray my head, which as most of you know, they won't find much. At the last seminar, I was only about 75%, luckly for some, and have just continued to slide. Now they are saying that it could be do to the shock that I took when I got hit by lightning?! All I want to do is get back into class and beat on a few well deserving individuals. Yes, enlightning you fair readers with my wit and wisdom delivery daily is challenging at times, but I deemed it needed to be done.
The crap that you are bombarded with on a day to day basis is overwhelming, but I, yes I fair readers am up to the challeng of providing you with the truth.
I may start my own blog, but I think I will just throw tidbits of "Arnold truisms" at you time to time. That along with other stories of the great adventures and truly overwhelming challenges I face on a day to day basis. It's 74 degrees in the house and I am sweating my ass off. Good thing I have a big one. Man, I hate this shit.
But I will leave you all today with one thing

YA CAN'T FIX STUPID

[Rawhide]

Arnold wasn't 100% last week but he DID drop by which was nice.  He was also first to volunteer to be a replacement partner for one of my students who was dealing with my over zealous wrestling friend as we did some basic ground work.  He was even kin enough to demo a technqiue of him after class!  What class, what dedication!  Arnold is first rate ya'll. 

Yeah, I think I got a hernia from laughing too much as well!

[usks1]

the 21 foot rule is o.k. if you have Dan Inosanto running a 40 yard dash at you, and you don't move and try to draw and fire..

Joe knucklehead is not gonna run a 4 second 40, and is probably not trained... And I am gonna move and draw and fire till the slide locks back... Then slam in another clip and do it again...

Aside from the gun, I would be happy with a pool cue due to the length and then maybe a chair or two... A couple of beer bottles to chuck at the bad guy....  Some beer to spill on the floor so he slips on his way to me..... Anyway... I would rather shoot him, but I will be glad to knock the shit out of him.

Have a great weekend...

[Milldog1776]

Some beer to spill on the floor so he slips on his way to me..... Anyway... I would rather shoot him, but I will be glad to knock the shit out of him.

Have a great weekend...

You can't spill beer on the floor. Carl will lap it up before the badguy gets there.

[410indashade]

You didn't pay attention usks1 the scenario specifically states "within twenty feet."  I know I can do it(just) from the draw or from the table at eighteen to nineteen feet any closer and it gets into a wrestling situation which is problematic at best.  Have you tested yourself do you know at what distance you can draw and fire on average taking the three best times out ten with live rounds or sims.  I'll bet most of you don't.

[410indashade]

This is a two part question.  So far on the second part of the question the poll responses are running 2 to 1 against using a gun to defend yourself against a knife at under 21 feet.  This reflects an understanding of one of the limitations of a gun.

[JimH]

The majority of people with a pistol ,on the outside,in a holster (mostly police) are not able to draw ,aim and fire at a suspect armed with a drawn knife running at them,within 21 feet,many tests have even shown most officers cannot draw,aim and fire and hit the suspect when the distance is expanded to 31 feet.

The Key is for the officer to move off line,zig zag,and or find a position of cover or create an obstacle between they and the suspect.(the obstacle can be a car, a light pole,a tree,anything that provides time to delay the suspect and give time to draw)

The knife is always sited but the draw against a suspect with any weapon at the ready at 21-31 feet most times delivers the same result.
(This means the suspect can have a bat,a pipe, a stick a whatever weapon)

A citizen with a concealed weapon will have to allow even more time to draw,aim and fire,or draw ,point and fire if the person is weapons proficient.

[410indashade]

I grant you that most officers would have difficulty even clearing leather inside 21 feet JimH but the answer is more realistic practice.  For those times that cover is not available and an immediate response is necessary.  Even if it devolves into a contact shooting, this is something we practice.  And it behooves lawfully armed citizens to practice  it too.  Just don't give up on draw and point method because most authorities eschew it as a "cowboy" move. 

[arnold]

Ah, shooting sports. Went to the farm the other day to do some practice blasting with my step son and his father in law. Mike ( father in law) is a pretty cool guy. Lost his leg in Nam from just above the knee. They never figureed he would live this long,  but he jsut celebrated his 62 birthday. His internal parts are also all rearranged as many parts had to be removed, He still carries around a bunch of metal in him. I've watch this man work his ass of stringing fence as he stumped along and never complained. He is one of the real heros, not some sports clown that overdosed on some perscription meds or some other winey crap that the news deems to be worthy.
My step son asked me if they actually could fire 2 45's at the same time like he saw in a Bruce Willis movie ( cool movie, "the Last Boy scout" favorite line, head or gut, that will be for another topic) but not above mentioned movie. Sure. Placed targets at 50 feet, drew both pistols at the same time and unloaded 16 rounds into the target. All hit in the kill zone. Did the quick underarm reload and did it again, all in less than 10 seconds. See, I knew I should have been a movie star.
And you can go on about how you wouldn't have to reload your glock, but when the movie was made, they didn't exist. So nahhh!
Then, just because I could, showed them the fine art of a 5 gal propane tank, a box of 22's, and a blue tarp. A bunch of the tress Mike wanted down are no longer a problem.
As we were heading back home, we passed a Braum's. Vision's of land bohmoths raced through my head. Not today, let's just get a burger at the local eatery.

[JimH]

Yes ,the answer is always more practice but the realities for the majority of officers,military and civilians are that they believe because they go once a year and shoot at paper that they are prepared,and this is a sad fact.

How many officers,military,no less civilians,who carry a weapon see the need for H2H?
Not many,even though they have been told and many shown that within 21 feet they might have to go to something besides the pistol,they all,for the most part say "I have a pistol" as if that is the be all and end all of an encounter.

I have over a dozen current and former family members on a major NY Police department and they only shoot/shot when directed to by the department,1 sometimes 2 times a year,they only shoot paper,under low to zero level stresss.
The former ones still carry and most times do not even fire once a year for their own benefit,they say "hey I carried for over 20 years I know the weapon and myself",when I say "yeah but when you were on the job you didn't wear glasses to read and drive either yet you think you can shoot the same",they just laugh.

I do not carry a pistol any more,but I go frequently (a minimum of twice a month) and fire off 200-300 rounds of pistol work alone each time I go.
(I also try to go once a month and shoot rifle and shotgun with 100 rounds  of shotgun on trap shooting)

The sad fact is the pistol has many believing that  the only requirement is to carry it, and it will be there to save them in an emergency even though no training is done,or minimum training is done on their part,even after they are shown they can be gotten to easily from 0-30 feet.

That I am sorry to say is the Sad reality for the vast majority who carry,be they Police,Military or Civilian,they do not and will not train in their weapons systems be they H2H,Baton,improvised weapons or Pistol.
(even though all who carry say they need nothing else because they carry,you would imagine this would be the area of focus and it is not).

[410indashade]

It is sad but too true! 10-4 and out

[Shogun79]

You are so correct.  On my department we shoot once a month.  Pistol every month, shotgun every other month, and rifle every other month.  There are some on the department that feel once a month is not enough, so we shoot more.  Our department has its own range, and guys can go down own their own time to shoot.  Most won't.  Just as most won't practise with their baton, or their unarmed subject control.  We only train/practise twice a year for unarmed combatives.  That could range from arrest and control tactics to ground defense, or edged weapons.  I wished we would/could do more with the airsoft and simunitons we have.  We usually do airsoft and sims once a year.