People who are instructors under Wagner,no matter what happens to him,still can claim to be RBSD instructors,Personal Protection Instructors,Self Defense Instructors and they could use Wagners certification as a stepping stone,but MOST have other arts and other experiences to also use along with Wagner's training.
If I were someone with just a Wagner certificate I would look to build upon it with other training,be it from Hock or some traditional art or from Aizik,Nardia,Dimitri,GBJJ or some other non Long term training certifications.
Wagners materials are usable as the Basic materials they are.
What will hurt Wagner is the People who run programs at the International,National,Local Levels who CARE about the TRUTH in his background and having misleading information ,(which is now out there by this forum,Bullshido and others),as part of their training /certification for they and theri people.
Look at the people who used SCARS and who were certified,under Peterson,they,like Tim Larkin,morphed into something else,Peterson bears the stigma for his misinformation and is NO LONGER an influential force in Military /Police based Self Defense.
This will also be the way of Instructors under Wagner,if they are smart enough to diversify there certications/rankings with others and just use Wagners Certification as a Blip on the screen.
And a word to Wagner instructors,the ones who claim to have learned from the man who has been there and done that,better look for a new ad campaign.
If Budo and Black Belt Magazine do not correct the way they Market Mr Wagner and continue on as if they believe he is and has done all he says,then the Ignorant will still buy into his BS and hire him on to do certifications,but I imagine most of the POLICE and Militaries who have been fooled will soon distance themselves from him,though I think he has not done as much with Police and Militaries world wide in recent history anyway.
Mr Wagner is also running out of ideas to write about and until he remorphs into another part time something what will he be writing about.
(the articles now on surviving a firearms attacks from a distance by running at the attacker and closing the gap,even if shot in a vital area and having three seconds to take out your attacker and take him/her with you as you die,will not fly,neither will stories on surviving a terrorist attack,Nuclear and chemical attacks,how to survive sniper attack,these are all theoretical concepts from a guy reading books and will not fly long to knowledgable readers,only to the gulible)
If we look at Black Belt Mag now anyway we see they have reached out and feature others who do have Backgrounds,Like Kelly McCann on a recent cover with several months running articles.
As Reality Type self defense is not an art,most of the tools and techniques are similar,just different mens perspectives on implemntation,so soon Black Belt and Budo will have run the course on REALITY and they will be forced to go to UFC/MMA type coverage as the dozens of other mags on those sports are on the stands,or they will go back to Traditional based arts coverage.
As a Wagner Certifed Instructor ,who took the course before the stories and before the truth ,I never needed to ,nor counted on Wagners course as anything more than just another training experience.
I NEVER was going to use the course ,nor the certification as a means to be able to teach it was just a way to experience another application of the tools,so I am luckier than some as it was not intended to be the week of training that launched me as a Reality Self Defense Expert.
Just my opinions.
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