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Author Topic: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...  (Read 8441 times)

Nick Hughes

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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2007, 11:34:12 AM »

Get your bad self over to Arnold's house...I bet he'll shoot at ya ;D

Yer Uncle Nicky
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2007, 01:56:59 PM »

Marks a good person and instructor and honestly he always apologizes for their marketing.
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2007, 05:27:25 PM »

I can empathise with being in that situation.  I fell into the clutches of a Canadian, Arthur Youngblood Hawk who claimed to be the former head of the Canadian Vietnam Vets Association, former USMC and so on.  He claimed a lot of things including being kidnapped in Panama or Costa Rica or somewhere and his Filipina wife calling his old SF buddies who came and rescued him even though he took a shotgun blast to the chest (saw a photo that could have been of his chest peppered with buckshot)  He was forever getting caught in the crossfire of drive bys and pushing his wife bodily to the ground during dinner, although he once forgot I was there with them on the particular occasion he was referring to! He saw more action in a week than the Philippine National Police!  His landlady was murdered in her house above their apartment though!  In fact walking past her room the next day after the police left the radio came on and then went off again mysteriously, but I digress.

Anyway, the man owes me a few grand for writing some magazines for him and he stole two of my eBooks and still sells them via the net and never pays me a dime.  Sometimes he doesn't even send the eBook so I get the irate customers tracking me down as the author and demanding their money back or they will have me kicked off my server and so on.  Funny how they can do that to me yet I can;t get PayPal or Clickbank to stop taking money for him!

Anyway, the point is I know how you can get caught up in these things.  Now, if anyone knows this Hawk character, aged about 55 and going blind in both eyes slowly.....please let me know.  Cheers Redcap.
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2007, 05:29:58 PM »

hey Bri, ever been to mexico? if you have then i have probably shot at you too.
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2008, 06:49:32 PM »


It has been awhile since being on this forum. I have studied IDF's Krav Maga and am currently a level 2 instructor in Commando krave Maga. I also have studied SFC here in the DC area. SFC and Krav are 2 different systems. As for IDF's Krav it contain many flaws. Moni developed his version to protect his troops since he saw many flaws with the origional Krav system. Also, when you train with Moni expect to experience traing that you never had in other schools or arts. It is top notch. I actually failed my level 3 by 38 seconds due to broken ribs. (Will delve into this another time). But the traing i have recieved is some the best street self-defense I ever had. As for Hock's unarmed it is also highly effective. I my few real life encounters I have used skills in CKM, SFC, Aiki-Jujutsu, and Wing Chun. You have to inderstand I did not have time to think it was what just flowed from my body. As for IKrave MAga it is a generic term like Karate and Kung-Fu. It like saying you can't use the term car or automobile for a vechicle on 4 wheel.
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2008, 11:25:42 PM »

A few years ago I took a class in Nashville TN from the local KM group-I was told i could go to Los A and for 3 thousand dollars become certified-I passed that great opportunity
heheh-Over the past few years I have trained over  in Europe and the mideast in KM -the classes were excellent-no politics-no $3000 dollars charges and in addition the instructors all mentioned the lack of professionalism currently in the US in the KM area. (Not CKM by the way)
As I said before on one of my posts $$ and ego run the train in many martial art programs.
The only other forum I participate in is the CKM one-seems like the writers/instructors are all knowledgable and dont bull shit-there is some humor-
anyhow -lets continue the good fight out there-
whitewolf (el  lobo blanco)
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2008, 02:25:59 PM »

Hi all , nice site, just putting my dollars worth in, from a guy on the street, I am currently a student of Moni's CKM in Belfast U.K. and have to say it seems to pack more of a punch, thus far, as compared to KM, unlike most people here, I only have 15 years training behind me, but know a good thing when i see it, I'm sure thats not disputed but I just wanted to get my first post in, cheers.
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2008, 08:03:43 PM »

Welcome to the forum mate.

Nick
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2008, 03:06:13 AM »

Hi Govinda

Is it true as an instructor in CKM you have to sign a contract that states you will not train with any other systems?

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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2008, 04:42:21 PM »

Bump!
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2008, 08:58:20 PM »

As an attorney who defends criminal clients in Connecticut. (But who does not claim to be Garry Spence) I'd like to comment on Levine's alleged comment that he spoke to various offenders who assaulted police officers.

If such a statement was made it is extremely suspicious.  As soon as a defendant has a public defender appointed to his case, this attorney will make sure that the defendant never talks to the police, or any prosecutors.  Why give the prosecution more information, more damaging statements that may be admitted at trial, why give the defendant the chance to piss the prosecutor off which may make a plea bargain more difficult to obtain?

I have seen pro-se defendents talk to prosecutors, typically in traffic cases in which they are not entitled to a public defender, or low level misdemanors where they do not face much chance of doing time.  But such conversations typically happen in court while there is a long line waiting to see the prosecutor, so if the conversation lasts more then five minutes, its unusual.

Now there may be some feature of California law which gives Levine the opportunity to talk to such criminals, but it is more likely that he is simply reading police reports and occasionally cross examining defendants at trial.
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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2008, 09:54:42 PM »

Hey Joe (or, since I don't know ya, Mr. Hubbard),

I've trained KM and  switched to CKM a year+ ago.  Love it.  My good buddy is a Level 3 instructor under Moni.  I am unaware of there being any contract that says one cannot train elsewhere.  We actually crosstrain/teache with our old KM instructor, who left Levine's organization due to the ridiculous fees (and because he's open-minded).

What has been discussed, however, is the caution in overly mixing two "reality based" systems that are not close enough alike, due to potential confusion.  Combatives are combatives, but various "styles" have their preferred ways for dealing with scenarios (duh.).  My buddy was encouraged to go ahead and crosstrain some ground fighting, Judo, and with Mr. Avi Nardia, who teaches Kapap here in the States.  He also trains in some Filipino and Indonesian stick/knife stuff, which has not been a problem with Moni.

That's all I know.

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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2008, 10:13:36 PM »

Hi Wizard

Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2008, 06:16:08 PM »

This came in Wagner 13 Questions and I copies it here as it relates here too.

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Hello, my name is Elad F., I hope you do not mind me posting what I am about to post and specifically in this category.

I am a current serving member of one of the Israeli government security divisions and a former member of the Israeli special forces.

We have a problem in the Israeli martial arts community now as well with instructors making false claims about their backgrounds and systems, the most publicly well known Israeli instructor making false claims about himself, his background, and his system at the moment is Moni Aizik. But, I wanted to make a comment about another point of Mr. Jim Wagner's advertising that is an issue to us.

He claims that he instructed the Israeli Special Forces units and the Israeli police.

Both of those claims are also false. Through Avi Nardia he had a seminar arranged to teach at civilian section of Wingate. He claims that the seminar was for special forces members, it was open to the public, and even pre-military service teenagers attended. There could have been former or current IDF special unit members there, but it was not an official seminar for the army.

Also, I know that he advertises that he trained the Israeli police.

He was granted an invitation for a tour of BASACAM, the Israeli police operational training center, and he was there for a tour. But he never taught there.

I would be interested in hearing him comment on this as well.

Thank you.

Elad.

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Re: The Krav (Moni Aizik) letter that started it all...
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2008, 12:07:02 AM »

Elad=Thanks for the input to the forum-recently I went to Athens Greece and trained with a KM group=they never heard of Moni/CKM/etc etc-in fact they doid not even talk about any polictics-we just trained-instructors  name is Papavlachopoulos  Ioannis and his services is called Installation Security & bodyguard services-real honest people (as far as i am  concerned)  stay  safe- Whitewolf
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