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[Joe Hubbard]

The Ghurkas are now being given five year visas in the UK in order to prepare them for citizenship.  This has been a long time coming for their loyalty and service and as a result, the UK security industry is flooded with them.  I should know- I have about ten of them working for me in London.  I was amazed to find out that they have no actual training program for their use of the Kukri Blade. In fact, depending on their cast, many of them don’t use the Kukri at all- it’s just for show.  It’s just another example of creating a “mystic” around something that is foreign. Another interesting Ghurka fact is that they are not an elite force in the British Services as it is often played out from American sources and some British sources for that matter.

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[Kaliman33]

As some one who has trained with Dr.Gyi, you CANNOT deny the man has skill, I have trained kukri with him and Ka-bar knife, staff, empty hands and yoga. He knows his shit. I have never seen anyone teach the kukri sets like him (3X3, 6X6, Pennsylvania sets, etc)
if you saw him hobble in with his cane at 70+ years and then pick up a kukri and start swinging it you would'nt say shit! The man knows his stuff. I cannot say that he is ligit or not but i guarentee you would not say it to his face. I have seen pic's of him sitting next to bruce lee, with a US President, and pic's from the war from the associated press.
Is he a master at photo shop too? i dont know, This is a quote

"My grandfather and granduncle joined the 1st burma infantry regiment in 1890 they where members of the rai tribe from eastern Nepal, The Rais are descendents of a tibetan tribe, when Burma was taken by the british in 1886, many men from the rai tribe were recruited to serve the army. From 1890 - 1915 both my grandfather and granduncle were assigned to numerous expeditions against rebellious tribes in Burma. They also fought for great britian in egypt, gallipoli, and mesopotamia during world war I, My granfather with the 2/10 burma gurkha regiment died in aug 1915. My father joined the 10th BGR in 1923,In 1936 both my father and uncle became Viceroy's commissioned officers with the rank of Subadar (captian), My older brother was graduated from the Indian Military academy in Dehra Dun in 1939. On march 9, 1942 i joined a field ambulance unit, the british where desperate, any loyal able-bodied man from a military family was recurted without rigorous screening. in may of 1942 i joined the 1/10 gurkha regiment, in june i was transfered to the new 23rd Indian Division, I was 16"

His born name is Manbahadur Rai, he grew up in Maymyo, headquarters for the 10th burma gurkha regiment, near mandalay
I could go on, is this factual, again i dont know, but i do know him and again he knows his shit. Period.

Marc Halleck

[Joe Hubbard]

Check this out:

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies38.htm

You decide

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Joe

[Kaliman33]

And we are supposed to believe that that is accurate too?
who did that site? it is not an official government site. anyone can start a smear campaign, look at all the politicans, you should know especially in the martial arts field that everyone is out to make a name and smear someone else, like who is better remey or inosanto? come on,
Again do i know for a fact what he told me is true, NO, but why would he go to such lenght's to fabricate something that could be proven wrong, and keep the story going for 40 years??? Maybe i am a big sucker, but maybe not.
All i can say is the man has skill, so i guess guro dan, fred degerberg, myself. we all fell for his lies, but for what reason, he had nothing to gain from me,
We will really never know,

[Joe Hubbard]

But why would he go to such lengths to fabricate something that could be proven wrong, and keep the story going for 40 years???

Simple, way back when he came up with this story, he didn't think anyone would find out.  So as the story is confabulated, other people are duped into investing in the lie.  After a while there is no turning back for the grifter.  All the gullible people that invested in him along the way are suddenly stuck.  Do we drop him?  Do we support him?  Now, that's politics!

Here is how easy it was for him to confabulate this:  How many Americans are knowledgeable about the Ghurkas?  Now, think back to the 1970s and ask the same question.  The answer for both is Zippo, nada!

Interestingly, I know two Rais personally.  Noresh Rai- his friends call him Chuck- has never heard of Pennsylvania, but has been known to slash hard and fast while working as a contractor in Iraq.  Chuck tells me that the foremost experts with the Kukri are the Limbo.  I also have a Limbo who works for me and he has never heard of 3 x 3s or 6 x 6s.  In fact both of these guys have stated that there is no real formal training regime for the Kukri in the Gurkas- it is worn as a symbol.  Most Gurkas develop the skill for the Kukri from using it as a farm tool or chopping their way through jungles.  I wonder if Gyi claimed he was teaching Gurkas.  Chuck also tells me it is highly improbable that a person who was born and bred in Burma would be allowed to join the Gurkas whether his roots were Nepalese or not.

The issue is not whether Dr. Gyi is any good at what he does; the issue is that he is stealing valor from those who legitimately served and died in the line of duty for their country!  There is a long standing investigation against Gyi. The evidence is pretty revealing.  The POW Network is a valued organization who rumbles people who are using deception as a vehicle for their own personal gain and glory while claiming they served in the armed services.  Man, I bet he is kicking himself for pinning that star on himself- in the end it's the greed that'll get you!

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[Joe Hubbard]

Here's another useful link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030802091426/phonyveterans.com/Gyi.html

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Joe

[whitewolf]

Joe-good info from your  last post-I work with about 150 guards from Napal-I  have  been told that as you said the knife is a symbol-in addition the gurkas (napal) are really looked up to by the napal people-In a news paper sent to my guards last year their was a article how a gurka assisted in saving the lives of some British  soldiers by staying awake 24  hours and fighting off the enemy(i think it was afganistan) in any event they are a tough  bunch of soldiers-stay  safe  whitewolf (el  lobo blanco)

[Richard Sackville]

"You also cannot train with a real knife or shoot real bullets at each other each week in class. There are many, many things you can learn with safer equipment and still remain uncrippled, employed and unwounded. Even rodeo clowns understand this point."

This made me spit out my tea with laughter, very funny and a good point.

Regards Richard

[Bryan Lee]

As some one who has trained with Dr.Gyi, you CANNOT deny the man has skill, I have trained kukri with him and Ka-bar knife, staff, empty hands and yoga. He knows his shit. I have never seen anyone teach the kukri sets like him (3X3, 6X6, Pennsylvania sets, etc)
if you saw him hobble in with his cane at 70+ years and then pick up a kukri and start swinging it you would'nt say shit! The man knows his stuff. I cannot say that he is ligit or not but i guarentee you would not say it to his face. I have seen pic's of him sitting next to bruce lee, with a US President, and pic's from the war from the associated press.
Is he a master at photo shop too? i dont know, This is a quote

"My grandfather and granduncle joined the 1st burma infantry regiment in 1890 they where members of the rai tribe from eastern Nepal, The Rais are descendents of a tibetan tribe, when Burma was taken by the british in 1886, many men from the rai tribe were recruited to serve the army. From 1890 - 1915 both my grandfather and granduncle were assigned to numerous expeditions against rebellious tribes in Burma. They also fought for great britian in egypt, gallipoli, and mesopotamia during world war I, My granfather with the 2/10 burma gurkha regiment died in aug 1915. My father joined the 10th BGR in 1923,In 1936 both my father and uncle became Viceroy's commissioned officers with the rank of Subadar (captian), My older brother was graduated from the Indian Military academy in Dehra Dun in 1939. On march 9, 1942 i joined a field ambulance unit, the british where desperate, any loyal able-bodied man from a military family was recurted without rigorous screening. in may of 1942 i joined the 1/10 gurkha regiment, in june i was transfered to the new 23rd Indian Division, I was 16"

His born name is Manbahadur Rai, he grew up in Maymyo, headquarters for the 10th burma gurkha regiment, near mandalay
I could go on, is this factual, again i dont know, but i do know him and again he knows his shit. Period.

Marc Halleck

  Marc, sorry you are caught up in Gyi's bullshit but I challenge you to take a step back and second look at all the information available about Gyi posted on the POW Network. I'm short on time so this is a very limited reply but here goes, Gyi is nothing less than a sad old sack of shit who spent his life telling everyone he was a combat vet, a war hero, and POW, when in reality he was none of these. Yea, now hes a old man so I doubt he ends up with any boots up his ass for telling his lies but there are certainly people that could get it done both today and back in his prime.

If you believe for one second that I'm the type person who does not say things to peoples face if I hold them to be true then you are completely underestimating me. If anything his choice of bullshitting people who would not know if he was the real deal or not speaks the loudest concerning this. If he were to say, hang out at a NCO Club and talk the kind of shit he whispered into the ears of wannabes out in the woods of Ohio he would have ended up with multiple stories of repeated ass stompings but then again since was not the real deal he would not even know what a NCO or E Club was and certainly would not have any military documents to get him into such a place so he could get his ass handed to him. 

  Gyi had no less than the FBI show up at his house and tell him to shut the fuck up with all the stolen valor stories or he would be sitting out his retirement behind bars. To date there has not been one single piece of evidence that Gyi was ever a U.S Service Member or a member of any military unit of any known planetary force at any time or any place during the last hundred years. His short stint as a One Star General ended as soon as a few of the pictures went public after one of his wannabe camps in Ohio.


   Marc, No bad on you, Its Gyi who is the dirt bag and who sold the lies. Today is just redemption day and its time to set the record straight as all the facts are now in, undeniable, and confirmed by military record checks.

[Professor]

"Anywho...Dog Brother "founder" Erick Knauss - who is just a super guy and had at that time "retired" from the "original" Dog Brothers - stepped up and tried to smooth all this over. There was some kind of truce. Erick was kind of surpirsed and dumfounded by all this. I was told that this truce involved sending some of the group to the Negros to train (which translates to money for Leo) But, since this very lukewarm truce...Leo still clung to his nick-name dog-eaters and then the "Pit Bulls" stick fighters, you might hear mentioned today."

From what i have seen of Erick he is a skilled individual that can hold his own. Strange that i have seen posting where Leo talks about Erick stating he has good skills.  I think there are several groups that do use the pit-bull name.

"There was no truce for Bill McGrath of New York State. He is still the subject of much hatred by the group. I was glad for Bill to leave the group because the group, and Leo, was/is pretty incorragable to deal with."

It does seem that Bill McGarth gets no rest from those that do pekiti tirsia. What do people think of his skill, knowledge and understanding of what he learned from Leo?

This whole ring kissing thing is the type of stuff that make me ashamed i have interest in the arts.

It's was the early 90s - I was full-contact stick fighting in the NorthEast.   Yes, the dog eaters were created by Gaje to scare the up and coming dog brothers - he got his way and the dog brothers snuggled up under him.

[Professor]

As some one who has trained with Dr.Gyi, you CANNOT deny the man has skill, I have trained kukri with him and Ka-bar knife, staff, empty hands and yoga. He knows his shit. I have never seen anyone teach the kukri sets like him (3X3, 6X6, Pennsylvania sets, etc)
if you saw him hobble in with his cane at 70+ years and then pick up a kukri and start swinging it you would'nt say shit! The man knows his stuff. I cannot say that he is ligit or not but i guarentee you would not say it to his face. I have seen pic's of him sitting next to bruce lee, with a US President, and pic's from the war from the associated press.
Is he a master at photo shop too? i dont know, This is a quote

"My grandfather and granduncle joined the 1st burma infantry regiment in 1890 they where members of the rai tribe from eastern Nepal, The Rais are descendents of a tibetan tribe, when Burma was taken by the british in 1886, many men from the rai tribe were recruited to serve the army. From 1890 - 1915 both my grandfather and granduncle were assigned to numerous expeditions against rebellious tribes in Burma. They also fought for great britian in egypt, gallipoli, and mesopotamia during world war I, My granfather with the 2/10 burma gurkha regiment died in aug 1915. My father joined the 10th BGR in 1923,In 1936 both my father and uncle became Viceroy's commissioned officers with the rank of Subadar (captian), My older brother was graduated from the Indian Military academy in Dehra Dun in 1939. On march 9, 1942 i joined a field ambulance unit, the british where desperate, any loyal able-bodied man from a military family was recurted without rigorous screening. in may of 1942 i joined the 1/10 gurkha regiment, in june i was transfered to the new 23rd Indian Division, I was 16"

His born name is Manbahadur Rai, he grew up in Maymyo, headquarters for the 10th burma gurkha regiment, near mandalay
I could go on, is this factual, again i dont know, but i do know him and again he knows his shit. Period.

Marc Halleck

Marc.....

    He's a phony, fake con-man. 

Yes, Tom and I saw him in Chicago -- yes, he is an intelligent man that is a good presenter of information.   B

I'm sorry you have not yet seen him to be the fake that he is known to be.   The POW network and other similar networks have no reason to randomly pick him to lie about...their track record of finding the phonies is stellar.

It's amazing that someone needs a cane and then can throw it aside on a mat and "dance".  If you need a cane, you need a cane.  Yes, he knows how to impress and has the pictures to PROVE it -- just not the official records to prove it.

Prof

[tgace]

If you are a member of Martialtalk.com or wish to read it, go there and look up a thread called "questions regarding Dr Gyi". I dont think they make it available to non subscribers. It was part of the reason I was banned from that site, I wont belabor the point here, but I did a bit of digging on Gyi there and made a number of enemies because of it.

[tahlib]

I just came across this thread the other day and must say it gave me a great laugh.  Just another example of the incredible amount of misinformation and rumor that exists in the world of martial arts.  I don't know why but the mere mention of Leo Gaje's name seems to incite argument and causes people to develop rumors out of nowhere.  I guess it keeps things interesting.  But the Leo Gaje show?  I can only hope that means that the author was impressed and appropriately entertained by the skill level displayed at a seminar. 
  Leo Gaje and the Pekiti-Tirsia system have produced better fighters and teachers than I believe any other FMA in existence.  This has to be a testament to the training methodology of the system and the teaching skill and technical ability of Gaje himself.  It is the only martial art recognized by the Philippine government and is currently being taught to the Philippine Force Recon marines in their war on terror.  Impressive if you ask me to be the chosen martial system of a government and its military.
  And the stuff about Gaje starting a war with the dog brothers?  What are you smoking?

[Hock]

I had to had to laugh when I heard you had to laugh.

The show was "Fight Science" or one of those cable shows did a whole hour on Gaje, ergo the "Gaje show." It was all about Leo. Wrestling water buffalo and so forth (not him, the show stars did). On film, spreading the chicken blood on the new warrior in a ceremony, as someone mentioned. Not rumors.

Here's an old quote to prove the Dogeaters existed
"Mandala Baldwin "Nonoy" Garrucho became the Top Henchman of the Pekiti-Tirsia Dogeaters, and a Close Associate of Grandtuhon Leo T. Gaje Jr., he serves as the External Vice President of the Pekiti-Tirsia Philippines for several years and has been responsible for Most of the Major Pekiti-Tirsia Activities and Undertakings with an obligation as an Event Coordinator, Facilitator and or an Associate Instructor for the Seminars, Tournaments, Camp Training and several Up-Grading Instructions namely the.."  from
http://www.freewebs.com/sundangan/foundersprofile.htm
(Nothing like the prestigious title of..."Top Henchman.")

You don't remember the 1990s origin of the Pekiti Dog Eaters? (How old are you?) In direct contrast to the Dog Brothers? Vicious tirades on the internet? Barred from numerous talk forums, even just of late. How do you think the "Dog Eaters" - later called that "Pit Bulls thing," got started?  Madman declarations that anyone who hadn't trained in the Philippines (in particular the Negros) was worthless, etc.

"We are the Dog eaters. We will eat the hearts of..." Serious threats about coming to our shores and eating the hearts of American FMA people and in particular "dog's hearts?" You can sometimes catch the whole exchange on the net if you can search and find it, at least the first ones, but the real crazy ones that followed were too gross and removed.

Everyone in FMA knew the "Dog Heart Eaters" and "Dog haters" were directing their angst on the Dog brothers? Why? Who knew, it made zero sense! These guys never bothered anyone. I personally think someone resented the Dog brother's success and reputation. Eric Knaus, a very fine and mature fellow as all the original DBs were, stepped up and in and smoothed it all out. (Poor ol' Bill McGrath never could.)

All THAT is and was...no rumor.

AND that Force Recon story? Sounds mighty good. Anybody really check that out beyond a few photos and a few units? Sure he has taught them. So have a lot of people. Been to Manila? The Negros? The only one system recognized by the Filipino government?  The ONLY one? Ever? Now? For Always? So have so many other systems too. (And for the record, just so you know, I could give a flying fuck on who the greatest Filipino system head and system is. I just don't care, so I am not here to argue about all that "best fighter, best system...crappola.)

On the Doc Gyi thing? All that has panned out to be true through time. Not rampent rumors. (Don't know how all that got caught up in this thread of the Gaje Fight Science show?)

Anyway you just keep up the good work, keep training and have some good laughing. You sound like about 90% of all Gaje Pekiti Tersia people I have have met since the 1980s. I will always call Gaje - Gandolph the magician.  

And I wouldn't worry about what I am smoking. You keep an eye out for the funny kool aid, the rooster blood and the magic amulets.

Hock

[redcap]

I just came across this thread the other day and must say it gave me a great laugh.  Just another example of the incredible amount of misinformation and rumor that exists in the world of martial arts.  I don't know why but the mere mention of Leo Gaje's name seems to incite argument and causes people to develop rumors out of nowhere.  I guess it keeps things interesting.  But the Leo Gaje show?  I can only hope that means that the author was impressed and appropriately entertained by the skill level displayed at a seminar. 
  Leo Gaje and the Pekiti-Tirsia system have produced better fighters and teachers than I believe any other FMA in existence.  This has to be a testament to the training methodology of the system and the teaching skill and technical ability of Gaje himself.  It is the only martial art recognized by the Philippine government and is currently being taught to the Philippine Force Recon marines in their war on terror.  Impressive if you ask me to be the chosen martial system of a government and its military.
  And the stuff about Gaje starting a war with the dog brothers?  What are you smoking?

Kumusta ka po, Bunso Tahlib,
Apart from giggling myself witless when I saw that 'Fight Quest' rubbish, I have to say you are wrong in several of the statements you have made here. Let us forget the subjective claim to fame re the instructors and 'fighters' of Perkiti Tersia. The Philippines government recently recognized Arnis as a national martial art and in doing so acknowledged that it is known by many names and there are many variations and styles. I will supply the reference if you can't google it yourself, start with GMA and the Philippine Inquirer newspaper web site.

In the 1970s the Presas brothers (I think both Ernesto and Remy) were appointed by the Philippines government to train the Manila police riot squads and the Philippines Air Force as just two bodies I am personally aware of. My instructor, Sam Corral, trained the student rioters and members of the NPA to fight the riot police during these years of martial law. The students would rip off their placards and use the sticks to fight with.

From my conversations with the late Edgar Sulete when I trained with him in the 1990s I believe he also trained Philippines Armed Forces units/individuals.

While i lived there 2002-2005 I trained members of the PNP, NBI and Barangay Tanod. In 1993 I had trained members of the security team of (then) Congressman Len Oreta in both shooting and FMA.

I know personally instructors from Doce Pares, Balintawak, Illustrisimo Kalis and Black Eagle systems who have trained Philippines government agencies and individuals.

While I have all the respect in the world for Leo and his system, I have to say none of the PAF people I knew in Cebu had heard of him, perhaps it was a Negros thing? And that is the point with FMA. It comes from a collection of 7000 islands with hundreds of languages and dialects. They are not Filipinos until they leave the country. Until then they are Bicolanos, Tagalogs, Ilocanos and so on. Very parochial. The arts are hard to find and while many may know stick fighting is a Filipino thing, very few will have done it.

As for Kali, that is a word invented by Leo and Dan Inosanto as far as my research has discovered. It has nothing to do with 'kalis' (sword) nor does it mean 'to scrape' as one movie title suggests. Maybe on Negros but nowhere else. I have researched seven major Filipino languages and it is not in any of them. But what would I know, I'm just a Buang tambok kano. Sige na,
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