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[tlouis]

you know, TKD gets a bad rap. I started out with a Korean fellow, ROK vet, Moo DO KWAN, and every inch of this guy was bad news. His classes were tough and wiihtout the flash you see nowadays. Hell, he didn't even teach spinning kicks. we just fooled around with those on our own. His joint locks were frighteningly fast and brutal, as were his reaps and throws. I've never seen anyone who could focus more power into a strike or move as effeciantly as him. But, he was a martial artist. He had studied since he was a child and dedicated his life to it. He was also a physically gifted athlete. Anyway, it was good tough training. Enough for SD purposes? No, thats why i started exploring elsewhere.

[Ryan]

Well, I e-mail back and forth with Bas once or twice a week, he' s been to my school 4 times in less than two years, my school's the East Coast Training Headquarters for his system, and I've never heard any such thing, so...

If I were training both, what would be the problem there?  There's this new concept, Thaiking, called crosstraining.  You should look into it.

Hock, I really hate that I missed you in NC.  I ended up with in-laws in town.   I'll be sure to catch you next time.

[mleone]

Krav maga is simple not what it used to be! Its bastardized.
It is filled with defensive marketing and techniques that fall short.

I dont have to be in hocks system I want to be in hocks system due to the high functionality.
Ryan if you add it to your school for curriculum no problem. But evaluate the moves and pressure test them under high stress. Give your curriculum the litmus test. I have seen alot of techniques from the KM system they simply just fall short. Evaluate the techniques you will soon discover new things. I have seen KMs knife video and quite honestly some of those moves will get you killed.

[Plantman]

Krav maga is simple not what it used to be! Its bastardized.
It is filled with defensive marketing and techniques that fall short.

I dont have to be in hocks system I want to be in hocks system due to the high functionality.
Ryan if you add it to your school for curriculum no problem. But evaluate the moves and pressure test them under high stress. Give your curriculum the litmus test. I have seen alot of techniques from the KM system they simply just fall short. Evaluate the techniques you will soon discover new things. I have seen KMs knife video and quite honestly some of those moves will get you killed.


That's why I'm glad I train with my guy. Like I said, 4-8 people in a class and his attention to the most minute details is amazing.

Like I said earlier, he trained with the founder of Krav 24 plus years ago. If he doesn't know it, I doubt I will find someone who does.

I don't know enough about the LA groups training or videos, but I have heard the same thing about the videos.

I wouldn't mind training with Hock if it were closer to me, but I haven't seen anything in Florida yet.

[Ryan]

Plantman, are the gun disarms you're learning, the same as what are in Imi's book?  If so, you're doing virtually the same thing everyone else in US KM is doing.

[Plantman]

Ryan, the ones we are learning are more or less the same. They all have some variations to them of course.

I love that book. Eyal was one of the writers of that book and I've never heard anyone in our organization questioning his skills.

What is your opinion of the disarms? I know another poster said they were a joke.

I think I'm gonna order one of Hocks DVD's to see what differences there are between the 2 systems.

I'm always open to new ideas and love to read about any of this stuff.

Have a great day!