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[Hock]

So...that's....

March 13, 2002- he starts academy
August 29, 2002 - he writes a protest letter, as admin took gun, badge and creds
September 9, 2002 - he hands in resignation to SAC Donzanti (one dated Sept 11)

So, is that just like...6, maybe 7 months with FAM?

Hock

[Canuk]

Does that 6 or 7 month including FAM basic traiing

[robbhamic]

It is going to get a lot worse than this.  All of his lies will be systematically proved and exposed.  Wagner is done.  Thanks for all of the help and insight from your forum.  You guys have really carried the torch on this moron.  I had to really get up to speed on his past and this was a great resource.

Respectfully,

Robb Hamic

[Hock]

"Does that 6 or 7 month including FAM basic trainng" 

Yes! He started the academy March 13th!
It is possible he was in the Army for as long or loner - only 8 months!
And this is the foundation of his "Post 9-11 Counter-Terrorism Agent" ads. About 7 months.

Hock

[Canuk]

This guy really is Danny Kaye from the movie, im starting to think that he actually believes that he has done all of it

[redcap]

Spoof-
Dateline Irvine, CA: Irvine County Sheriff's Deputies attended the home of Jim Wagner today after neighbours complained of an offensive smell emanating from his home. Upon entering the house the Deputies found_______________

I wonder if all this coming home to roost stuff will tip him over the edge? Too bad? Serve him right? What about his family? Surely there must be someone out there who will mourn for him if he does __________? Any thoughts?

Redcap

[Hock]

Wagner adores himself way too much to hurt himself like that.

He has convinced himself of who he thinks he is. His entire professionall life has been covering over his egomanical and impulsive, immature personality, actions and mistakes. He's  spent vast amounts of time spinning and spinning to cover over and excuse himself. He is right and everyone else is wrong. All the others can't seem to recognize his powerful genius from their jealousy and/or ignorance.

He is either pathological or is a complete, cutthroat, conman, business shark. My opinion is pathological. I have had the unfortunate experience of hearing comments about him and reading his reports and explanations, these dodgy, semi-confessions going back to his 8 month stint in the Army, then to his use-of-force complaint in Costa Mesa and subsequent "resignation," the insane bomb mess at Orange County Reserves which led to his "resignation" ; then the short, his malfeasance and scams at HSS which led to his firing, and then his major screw up with the Marshals that forced his "resignation" in only 7 months! The same babbling, manipulative, corkscrew, angling, deceptive lingo remains. Lifelong.

Jim Wagner is like Barney Fife on steroids. Your nightmare employee.

But, he will NEVER hurt himself. Not in the profile.

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April 18, 2010.
Jim Wagner now says on his webpage some new news!

As you might recall from reading above. Wagner was forced to admit he flunked the SWAT PT test in the 1990s and he asked to help out for office duty. He even lost that helper's job when it was dissolved and Wagner was replaced by an untrained, unarmed park ranger.

Now, suddenly just today - Wagner "reveals" that back in the 1990s he retook the test and this time came in Number 1 and was officially put on the CMPD SWAT team! Despite all other previously collected statements that said he hadn't.

Do you think for one moment that Wagner would have sat quietly for almost two years as a failed guy, and relegated to volunteer for back office worker compared to his crafted image as a world wide, tactical genius, publically admitting failure as he has? And two years later, now say this?

I'm going to tell you something. First, its nonsense. Second, this is going to be checked out. And finally, this Jim Wagner is losing his mind? Or, he is a little lying, skunk fuck, punk, con man, who like real con man criminals, cannot, will not, ever give up their con. Ever.

This is a seriously troubled, maladjusted man/child.

Hock
(This all comes out now because of the new http://www.jimwagner.org/ . )

[JimH]

181 Days...

New Mexico,March 13, 2002 Wagner STARTED his training.
Training IN FULL lasted until April 18,2002.

Then on August 29,2002 he writes to complain they took his badge and firearm THE WEEK BEFORE. (He is done basically as a FAM when Badge and firearm were removed)
Sept 9,2002 he officially resigns with a dated resignation letter of Sept 11, 2002)

Start to finish,(finish being his resignation date of Sept 9,2002)
Wagner worked a TOTAL TIME of  181 days.
That is ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY ONE DAYS IN TOTAL.

The firearms course that he complains he was not allowed to attend in his letter to FAM ," TO EVALUATE ITS USEFULNESS," lol, ( see  www.JimWagner.org   April 27) I believe was to be a course with either the Israelis or the Germans,I am leaning to Israeli's but  I am not positive, I am sure someone out ther knows with whom the training was to be. You See ole Jim was looking to add EVALUATOR to FAM training with the Israeli's or German's as part of his Resume.

Imagine a guy with a few months out of the Training center and he wants to EVALUATE THE TRAINING ?
LOL

[JimH]

Suicide is not an option as who will film and direct it and then who will make the final cuts for production.

Wagner will keep on .
He will deny it all,he will change his stories and he will sell his courses.
He will be allowed to keep writing for Black Belt and other magazines,he will be employed to teach and make knives and equipment and he will carry on.

Wagner has been being looked into for 2 years and reported on and he does not stop the changes and the Lies,he just Shape Changes .(to borrow from Hock)

In two years of LIES being pointed out he is still with Black Belt,Agencies ,(Mostly Eurpopean still hire jim and he still runs his courses,now with a European and US Headquarters.

If a LIAR is Caught Lying he just continues to LIE.

Quote redcap
"What about his family? Surely there must be someone out there who will mourn for him if he does suck on his Glock?

Wagner does have a wife and family
Wife is pictured on his site on his Visit to the White House with George Bush.
To discuss terrorism and stuff,lol.

Imagine living with this Nutter ?
His whole life is is as a Fake,a QUITER,he has never stayed with and finished anything.

Mourn or party,what would you choose ?

[Hock]

I have heard from everyone that Wagner's wife is a really nice girl.
And that Wagner is somewhat if not quite, religious.

That is how he and a religious group went to see President Bush.
http://www.projectprayerflag.org/
Which is pretty cool.

Everyone got their group and solo photo with Bush, and while he has this photo on his webpage, Wagner has never invented/rigged up a single story out of it. 

Hock

[robbhamic]

Irvine, CA: Irvine County Sheriff's Deputies attended the home of Jim Wagner today after neighbours complained of an offensive smell emanating from his home. Upon entering the house the Deputies found the body of Mr Wagner....

I wonder if all this coming home to roost stuff will tip him over the edge? Too bad? Serve him right? What about his family? Surely there must be someone out there who will mourn for him if he does suck on his Glock? Any thoughts?
Redcap

Wow.  I wonder what is going on there?  There has been some bomb issues raised in his past Orange County Sheriff's Department days.  Termination followed.  I will post all of the evidence on Friday on the blog but it is comical.  In Jim Wagner's own words and I got my hands on a 6 page letter that he wrote, not only acknowledging his termination, acknowledging that his superiors at OCSD referred to him as a "nut."  He is a strange man.. 

[JimH]

More Semantics by JW.

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/addbioocsd.html

The following sections are from JW's site,mentioned above.

"On August 30, 2001 Sergeant Jim Wagner was the Shift Leader of the Dignitary Protection Unit and on Gold Team during the operation, tasked to protect the newly appointed United States Treasurer Rosario Marin. She had been appointed by President George W. Bush and was the highest ranking Hispanic in the Bush administration."

"For this event Sergeant Wagner's responsibilities were to do the Advance (collect tactical information on the facility and do employee checks before the event), assign agents to the perimeter (Site Security) and the principals (Close Protection). He was also responsible for the safety of Hector Barreto, Small Business Administration, Gaddi Vasquez, Director of Peace Corps (Nominee), Miguel Pulido, International Policy Advisory Committee on Trade, and Ruben Barrales, Deputy Assistant to the President; Director of Intergovernmental Affairs (The White House), Sheriff Lee Baca (Los Angeles Sheriff’s Office), Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl, Dr. Tirso de Junco, and 250 guests."

Orange County Sheriff's Office definition of the Job of Dignitary Protection:

Special Operations/Dignitary Protection/Intelligence :
Tasked with the responsibility for identifying, investigating and prosecuting suspected vice offenders, maintaining a close working liaison with other agencies worldwide, and assessing the threat levels against and providing security for visiting dignitaries to Orange County.

My question to JW is what level / ring of protection were you and your team assigned ?

The above quotes say you provided protection.

Did you provide close in first ring / level Protection or did you provide SECURITY ?

Security means you are Man Power to stand and observe and take action as required or directed such as:  crowd control,perimeter security,door way security,hall way security,back stage security.

Big Difference,to those in the business.

See the US Treasurer had GOVERNMENT Protection.

California Highway Patrol,of which you WERE NOT a Part,had the Secondary Ring of Security.

You did leg work and SECURITY,NOT DIGNITARY PROTECTION.

You ran background checks on employees and you provided Building diagrams to other agencies who were PROVIDING the Protetction.

Your men as you call them were Officers,NOT AGENTS.

It is all BS word play.
Just semantics to confuse an ill informed public.
(baffle them with BS)

Clarification:
You provided Security work for the following,NOT DIGNITARY PROTECTION:
SECURITY for Rosario Marin,Not DP
SECURITY for the 63rd annual golden globe awards,Not DP
SECURITY for Brad and Angelinas EMPTY Home,Not DP
 

[robbhamic]

When I was a cop I had to dress up in full uniform and provide extra coverage for President Clinton when he came to town. No big deal.  This guy is such a fake.  Rosario was not the highest ranking Hispanic official in the Bush Cabinet.  That position was held by Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Commerce.  Rosario had no security when I met her in Albuquerque in 2004.  After a speech, she came with a group of us for lunch at a regular kind of place.  Nice lady and no frills.  She signed a lot of dollar bills.  No big dignitary protection detail.  I was a civilian at the time and there were no police present. 

Wagner is such a drama queen it isn't funny.

[Hock]

Even more on

www.JimWagner.org

A six page letter, written by him to an OCSD Lt., about his being booted from the Orange County Sheriffs Department Reserves. He was forced out by his own admission in this letter, not willingly resigned as he lies he was.

[redcap]

A common denominator with these wankers is that they always want to cut corners. Rather than put in the time and the hard yards they expect they should be promoted to top dog right away. I also wonder about his fixation with the rank of sergeant? Sad individual this Jim Wanker.
Redcap