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[Hock]

For the record, Wagner's FAM letter of resignation does not allude to any force-out or pressure to leave. As I recall, Wagner told me he would supply anyone his letter of resignation. (Remember that anyone can write anything in their own letter of resignation. Admins LOVE any letter of resignation from a person of trouble with an axe looming over their head)

We can say, (and backed by documentation collected by others, not me!) that Wagner was under suspension, his badge, gun and creds seized by superiors just before his self-prepared letter of resignation. (and a letter of resignation can say anything, can't it?)

As to the reason of his suspension? I really do hate to print that here. Nor would I print the reason someone was fired or about to fired from WalMart. And it might be an accumulation of things as Jmech ( Jmech is a veteran cop by the way) suggests, or maybe just one big thing. That I do not know. People that I know and do not know, also know these sordid details, and they can be found talking about those details elsewhere on other talk forums.

Hock



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The Jim Wagner Reader

Jiim Wagner - Detecting Frauds   
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4080.0.html

The Jim Wagner 13 Questions   
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4049.0.html

Jim Wagner never on a front line SWAT team http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4084.msg35927.html

Jim Wagner once sole owner of HSS International?
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4153.0.html

Jim Wagner of Black Belt Magazine
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,636.msg34758.html

California State Military Reserves not happy with Wagner’s self-aggrandizement
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1120002010001/m/6300063161001

Jim Wagner-first with reality fighting?
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4054.msg44958.html

Jim Wagner, Romance and the Missing Ad
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4043.0.html

Jim Wagner’s only USA course , 2008 terminated
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4125.0.html

Jim Wagner way back machine
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/

Jim Wagner, only 8 months in the Army?!
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4088.0.html

Sgt Wagner, Big Boots, Little Feet
http://www.hockscqc.com/blogs/07-08/index.htm

[JimH]

Resign or be fired ,or charged ?
or
PLEASE Sir,instead of Firing me or charging me ,PLEASE allow me to resign ?

Neither of those fit the reasons on his website:
"When the demand for Jim Wagner's services became substantial (defensive tactics, tactics, and firearms training courses) he became a Reserve Police Officer with the same city for several months in 1999. After handing in his Letter of Resignation"

(I will resign please do not fire me)

"After the Al Qaeda terroirst attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001 Jim Wagner applied for the position of United States Federal Air Marshal. On January 28, 2002 Sergeant Wagner turned in his Letter of Resignation to his chain-of-command"

(I will resign please do not fire me)

"In conjunction with several other events happening at the time, Jim Wagner decided to resign from the federal government working his last day on September 11, 2003 - the one year anniversary of the terrorist attacks. "

(I will resign please do not fire me)

He left the Costa Mesa Police to persue his training of Military and LEO with HSS.
He joined the Sheriff Department to teach with HSS and keep a foot in the Police.
He then RESIGNS from a Part Time VOLUNTEER job to go into Full time work with the air marshal program ?
(what happened to training the world and HSS ?)
The Terrorism dropped off s in 3 months he flew so he resigned and returned to Training the military and LEO,though not with HSS ??)
Then he joined the California Militia,as a Volunteer, so as not to be found to be a liar with claims of SGT /NCO in the US Army.

According to the above from JWs site :
JW resigned from the sheriff department Jan 2002.
Wagner joined the Air Marshal Program and finished training at the end of April 2002.
He started to fly mid May,he finished flying Aug .
He says that he resigned from the Air Marshal program Sept 11,2003 ,the first anniversary of the attacks ??
The First anniversary of the attacks was Sept 11,2002.
I attended JWs course in Aug 2003,he was already out of the air Marshal program,and had been for a while.
I imagine that he and the WHOLE WORLD knew when the first Anniversary was.
JW did a total 5 months in the Program,with 3 months of actual flying/sitting in the seat as he says.
(ALL BS)

Also of question from JWs site:

The responsibilities of Sergeant Jim Wagner's position as Team Leader (TL) of the Dignitary Protection Unit (DPU) included:
1.  Control the movement of the close protection team
2.  Assign and control of agents at fixed posts
3.  Liaison when multiple agencies involved.
4.  Training of agents (defensive tactics, tactics, and firearms)

Anyone notice YET AGAIN that the job description from above is not one of HANDS ON ,walking with the client and being in the actual PROTECTION ROLE ??
(similar to working with SWAT in Logistics and never being on a TEAM doing entry)
WORD GAMES.

Nice photo op of the group of Close Protection Operators ? with the PRIVATE Jet on the web site.
Photo OP.
A dignitary who has a PRIVATE Jet ,especially if they need PROTECTION,gets in and out in the HANGAR.
If a Hangar is not available the Car is brought to the foot of the stairs of the plane .
NO CAR IN THE PICTURE
LOL

[Hock]

yes, JIMH it is funny that Wagner always has...a team. The less-than-one-year-rookie FAM, a few months out of the academy and flying, is leading...a team.

Didn't like bomb story, people? You are not alone. An active-duty Marshal read this, that I know, contacted me and called it a sham. The story violates numerous procedures and realities.

Cheer up though. Because Wagner will re-write it like he has done everything else about his history and try to straighten it all up with snakey, word play. We are his best editors here actually, picking at his weak points - but he still does not really follow the full advice. Fess up, clean up and become a respected instructor through time.

Once again we stand ready to clean up and correct ANYTHING said here by, about Wagner, from him or ANY past co-worker, friend or rep.

Hock

[Hock]

Wagner's big new USA headquarters? Really an empty,small suite?
http://www.fakeselfdefenseinstructors.com/2010/04/jim-wagner-lies-about-his-usa-headquarters-.html

[Hock]

Never on a SWAT team continues...

http://www.jimwagner.org/

[JimH]

See this is where we get into the Wagner symantics:
Wagner was NEVER on a Legit PD SWAT Team as a shooter.
He Was ,and says,he was in the TOC,Tactical Operations Center supplying information.
He was on a SWAT Team as a Trainer with HSS
He was also an HSS sniper /counter Sniper with HSS.

He was NEVER on a SWAT Team as he was only ever given ONE SHOT and he failed the initial run,Immediate Disqualification.

Wagner recap:
He was never certified to teach JKD or ANY other art/system he just did it with limited knowledge.
He left the Military after just under 8 months with the help of his congressman,never reached SGT rank.
He was a Jailer in a 16 person facility that held most people for a maximum of 6 hours
He was a Police Officer who WORKED A BIKE PATROL at the MALL
He worked at the Tactical Operations Center supplying information to field units.
He was NEVER a Body Guard for the sheriff
He was a Reserve/part time sheriff
He got into the Federal Air Marshal program when they did not do complete investigations,he graduated the course and flew for less than 4 months,in which he HAD NO INCIDENTS.
He started RBSD and befriended Avi Nardia and went to Israel and trained at Wingate with Avi,NEVER at the military compound of BAHAD 8.

Most of his Police jobs he resigned rather than get fire,same with the FAM Job.

He is now a member of the California Militia and works for FREE,doing one day per Month training.
He is not Regular Military nor can he be deployed to a Military Conflict.
(though he is alluding to that now in his writings)
He now can wear the Uniform of the California Militia,which looks like Regula Army Uniform,and he no longer fears Stolen Valor charges.

Most of his claims are from time with HSS.

It is all smoke and mirrors,Pure BS stories of an ORDINARY Man claiming to be a Been There Done that guy,who has done CRAP ALL.

[Hock]

Okay, It is April, 2010 and my head is spinning a bit. Let me get this straight.

Wagner...

AFTER attorney Sam Browning has collected statements right from Costa Mesa SWAT cops back in the summer of 2008....that said Wagner was never, EVER on the CMPD SWAT team and only worked in the support TOC office....

AFTER Wagner admitted that he flunked the PT test and just worked with other SWAT guys and learned a lot...

AFTER Wagner told me in 2009 that he was never on a SWAT team. He failed the PT test...

Now...NOW Wagner says this Aptil, 2010, about two years later after the Browning evidence, he now says he retook the test in the 1990s and "came in first" and was then officially placed on the "door-kicker, trigger-puller" SWAT team?

Is he making this up like...daily? Does he not know people will check this out?
I think maybe he now just lies to the few stupid people he has left, stupid enough to believe him and his ever-changing bullshit, concocted sales image. Jim Wagner now says on his webpage some new news! Forced to admit he flunked the SWAT PT test in the 1990s and he asked to help out for office duty, suddenly today, Wagner "reveals" that back in the 1990s he retook the test and this time came in Number 1 and was officially put on the CMPD SWAT team!

Of course this is all coming from the pressures of the new:
http://www.jimwagner.org/

Hock

[JimH]

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/bioaddswat.html

"When SWAT Officer Jim Wagner received his Range Safety Officer (RSO) certification from the U.S. Marine Corps he was authorized to run and supervise live-fire sniper range training on various ranges at MCB Camp Pendleton."

JW ,
Does the MOUT Card allowing you to be a Range Safety Officer,not say Wagner,Jim (OCS) ?

Does not OCS stand for Orange County Sheriff Department ?
(because the quote above,SWAT Officer Jim Wagner received his Range Safety Officer (RSO) certification , is directly with the cards you posted)

You were not on a SWAT team then were you ?


The reverse side of the card says "SMALL ARMS FIRE" and expires 10/2000
(Front was issued 7/2000)
You were not on SWAT then were you ?

[JimH]

Civilian Safety and Department Protocol do not matter to a Glory Hound ,do they JW ?

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/bioaddswat.html

 "On two occasions Jim Wagner, a patrol officer using his SWAT skills, would be the point-man on two different hostage rescues while on police patrol when there was not enough time to call out the SWAT Team. The Costa Mesa Police Department did not have a full-time team, but members where called out when there was an emergency or for training. On both occasions forced entry was made by Corporal Wagner and both ended satisfactory. (Report number 97-37340 occurring on October 11, 1997 and the second incident to be posted)."

*** Note use of an Incident/report number ?

Seems Public Safety does not matter.
The Above quote says,JW acted as the point man on TWO Seperate HOSTAGE RESCUES while on Patrol.
Not enough tIME TO CALL SWAT ?

So you just kicked in the door ?

A hostage situation,as determined by JW,No Negotiator,no Trained SWAT back Up ?
Just JW,AKA Jack Bauer
LOL

This goes in with the :
Searching a Car for a BOMB in front of an Airport Terminal,with Traffic flowing ,Cirtizens walking By.
Not time to call the Bomb squad hey ?

AND

As a Federal air Marshal JW sees a suspected Terrorist with a Brief Case.(JW suspects a bomb).
JW Enters aircraft ,removes the suspect.
No Time to wait,so JW Opens the Brief case,(which he has suspected of having a bomb),on the gangway outside the doors of a Jet fully fueled and loaded with Passengers .

LOL

JW just does not follow the Rules ,Protocol,or care about public Safety
LOL

[Joe Hubbard]

Check this picture out:

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/images/CMPD_BLA_1988.pdf

Note the caption at the bottom of the page LOL.

Didn't Phil Hartman of Costa Mesa SWAT say that Jim never was involved in training SWAT?

That picture looks more like his paintball team.

The full scoop here:

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/bioadd1980s.html

Joe

[Canuk]

There appears to be a women in that pic, were there any women in SWAT back in 88?

[Hock]

Yes, CMPS SWAT Hartman said Wagner was never on the SWAT team.

Last night I spoke with another former CMPD SWAT team supervisor/member, who simply said, "Wagner was never on the SWAT team." He reminded me that Wagner failed the PT test (as we all know) and never took another one because he quickly got the assist office job - the TOC job. The TOC job was NOT a front line SWAT slot, and was - what any SWAT team member would simply call - "not on the team." It is easily understood and easily said by any real SWAT team person.

Plus, he insisted that Wagner NEVER attended a police SWAT school, which is normal requirement for any SWAT team member. Lets face it, you know by know, that if Wagner had attended an actual, state, POST - required SWAT school, that graduation certificate would be on EVERY page of his webpage and tattooed on his self-aggrandizing, forehead. He has not.

Wagner is DESPERATE to concoct ANY connection to a SWAT team, and he uses the support TOC office (from which he was fired even from that! - replaced by an untrained, unarmed park ranger - he did not resign from SWAT) as his only confabulated ad.

There is not a SWAT officer on the planet that would call what TOC Wagner had done being “on the SWAT team. I personally know of officers wounded and some in wheel chairs that do TOC style work for their SWAT teams (oh, and they get SWAT team business cards to!)

You know what Wagner reminds me of? He reminds, me of an office clerk, or a supply room guy, or a driver in a Special Forces unit. They wear the same uniform. They even have the same unit business card. Then they get out of the Army and claim they were in Special Forces. That kind of despicable little wanna-be pussy. Stolen valor.

“Look at my business card!”
"Look at my SWAT pants!”
“I trained with those guys...sometimes! Can I come along? Please? (and bring my camera?)”

But Wagner is different than most other people. Some people like Spour and others have the common decency to melt away. But Wagner, being a pathological liar, still tries to find cracks to slime through, still tries to lie and manipulate and con to the bitter, bitter end. I have sent con men in prison who still to this day, try to explain and re-explain, and re-re-explain how they right and their con was true. And of course, how they wre so maligned and mis-understood. In a way, its like a thinking disorder.

Wagner wants to play semantics with the word “on” for “on a SWAT team.” And let me tell you something. The other tricky word he uses is the word “resign” He has papered over a lifetime of police fuck-ups, with the word “resign.” And a resignation letter can say anything, can’t it.

“On” and “resign,” Two words critical to Jim Wagner’s little transparent, bubble of false advertising.

Hock

[JimH]

Semantics :
See when you say JW Never attended a SWAT school,it must be CLARIFIED to read,JW Never attended an AUTHORIZED  SWAT School for the Purposes of Police Deaprtment duties.
As JW will counter with his Bogus USMC Scout Sniper certificate and his HSS SWAT certificates and all the other weekend warrior BS paper work and photo's.

Hey ,JW has pictures in many uniforms doing many this,with many certificates,(some of which he ,himself,made up) and he has those Business cards,and those thank you letters ,with letterhead not even from the groups he worked with,surely it all must be true,surely he is not faking it all.
WELL HE IS
All Smoke and Mirrors.
He is an Actor Playing a ROLE as a SUPER COP.


The photos and articles Joe mentioned  in his post show Wagner's leanings towards Terrorist and Gang activities.
All the Pictures say for SWAT.
But it was not for SWAT and JW was not with SWAT,nor with HSS when he started this little group of Martial ACTORS.
His private little Terror cell which eventually became BLA,(Baleric Liberation Army)

It was all for Jim's BS JKD/Kali classes which became him running How to classes:
How to Take Down and Aircraft
How to Take down a Home/school

To stay within the Law he then moved to what to do if you are on an aircraft that is taken.

I like this quote from the article:

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/bioadd1980s.html

"Jim was toying around with a lot of ideas at the time, which nobody else was doing in the martial arts then. Today everybody is doing what Jim started. It’s a lot easier to build on something that has already been started than to break new ground.”

Totally wrong and Totally BS because I was doing similar training,REALITY BASED MATERIALS in the late 60's early 70's and beyond in NYC with several Great Teachers.

Reality Based stuff was used,being taught and was featured in many of the martial arts mags well before JW.
You had Combat Karate,Offical Karate,Inside Karate,Karate Illustrated ,Black Belt Magazine and many others that covered what was being taught and the Reality aspect being applied.
GM Johnny Kuhl had some of the most realistic training going on in the 70's and he put it all out in his Magazine Combat Karate,same as the name of his art.

It was also being DONE in the Military for decades,the military which JW got the revelation from in the first place.

All I,I,I as far as JW is concerned,he thought of everything.
He made SWAT what it was in California,hell what did Daryl Gates and John Nelson know in 1969 when they thought of the idea of SWAT ? LOL.

Let's recap
Never invented Reality  Training,he coined his term RBSD,that is it.
He was NEVER a Certified Instructor of JKD.
He was never a Certified instructor of any art,he made up his own and may have been given rank by Nardia in Israeli something or other.
He was in the US Army long enough to get an MOS/8 months then RESIGNED
He became a jailer in a 16 person holding facility,which held prisoners for around 6 hours ,sometimes for 24 ,not regularly though.He RESIGNED
He became a PO,did short stint on Patrol,mall cop,bike patrol ,Dare and then was GIVEN the Job with the Mobile Command Post working the TOC,which was NOT JUST USED FOR SWAT,he was NOT on the CMPD SWAT TEAM.He RESIGNED
He became a Reserve Deputy Sheriff,was not a BG,not trained in dignitary protection FOR THAT JOB,maybe in HSS,weekend warrior world.He RESIGNED
He got into the Federal Air Marshal program at a time when Background checks were rushed through to get numbers,he worked for less than a year and flew for 3 months without incident,He RESIGNED
He is not a Body Guard to the stars,as he has NO Weapons Carry Permit.
He has his RBPP,or what ever it is called now.
He is a Staff Sergeant in the California State Militia,which is a one day a month circle jerk,as he guards a Transportation/TRUCK yard.
He sells knives and books to the Germans
He BSes the rest of the world thanks to mags like Black Belt,BUDO,Blitz.
(all the Mags that back him start with B,they need and S in there for the people they bring to the public eye)

[Hock]

In case you haven't seen this...
Over at
http://www.jimwagner.org/
The 27 April, 2010 addition....
Some serious shit has hit the fan....

They have collected documents from the Feds, a Wagner letter, written by himself, complaining about the seizure of his badge, gun and credentials.

They report that Wagner's home was inspected by Federal investigators and computers searched. Wagner was forging airport security documents. He was toast.

Very shorty after? Wagner...resigned.

There is nothing left to to watch Wagner shape-shift (lie) once again.

Hock

[JimH]

From the site above,(http://www.jimwagner.org/),the date of Wagner Resignation Letter is August 29,2002.
On Wagners site he has his Certificate of Completion from the Federal Air Marshal BASIC Training Course as 3/14/02 - 4/11/02.
That means that JW did not even last the 11 months we previously thought,he only lasted 5 months and 14 days.
He was gone by the first Anniversary of 9/11/02.

Wagner even mentioned me in Blitz Magazine as saying he did 3 months riding in a seat without incident,(His words from the August 2003 NYC Seminar), and now it looks like 3 months riding in a seat may have been too long,LOL.

Reading those letters it seems Wagner never wanted to be taught anything,he knew it all and more .
He wanted to be the Instructor and change the way they did Training in CMPD,OCSD,and the FAM's ,lol.
Always wanting to be the Leader.

It only gets Better and Better.


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Hey Jim,I know you have the new story of retaking the SWAT Physical Agility and being given the SWAT Badge and the supplies list you posted that PROVES,lol,that you were actually a SWAT Team Member.

You are Again engaging in semantics.

Who is actually a member of the SWAT Team ?

Does the TOC,the specially created job for you,the most important job on the Team,the job that requires the MOST Training to be had count ?

Does the fact that you were replaced at that VITAL Job,by a Park Ranger with ZERO SWAT /Sniper training mean the job Really needed a Multi Talented FULLY TRAINED SWAT/Sniper Operator such as yourself ?

The Uniforms list,according to you had a Ghillie Suit.
You say you had one you assembled with the help of the US Marines at the Scout Sniper school.
Was that the Ghillie suit made while training with the Marines while with HSS,before SWAT ?
or
Is it the Scout Sniper School  listed down the line at the Jim Wagner Costa Mesa SWAT Page ?
If the Ghillie suit were part of issue ,did all the NEW SNIPERS get one,or did the all make their own,or were you the only one with one,for your job  as the first to respond scout,doing Recon drawing pictures and noting the walls and doors of the building/structure ?
Your Scout Sniper Training ,from the post below,by you,must mean the HSS two day Scout Sniper Course you did ,with the certification you posted which ,you NOW say you do not know if it is REAL or Not,LOL.
LOL.LOL
What a Joke

The following are YOUR WORDS,and they are here now for all to see,no matter how much you change your site.

http://www.jimwagnerrealitybased.com/bioaddhss.html

"In 1994 Jim Wagner became a member of the Costa Mesa Police SWAT Team. It was not to be in the role of police sniper as he had been working towards, but by the request of the new SWAT commander, Lieutenant Ron Smith, it was to be for the newly created position of Command Post Operations Officer (CP OPS OFC). Jim was the only person on the team who could do accurate tactical diagrams, and he already had extensive scout sniper training, which was required for the position. These two skills were vital since the position required Officer Wagner to scout out the target area, which meant moving up to the kill zone, obtain photographs and sketches, and then draw up the tactical diagrams back at the Mobile Command Post. This is why Jim’s official uniforms consisted of a Battle Dress Uniform urban camouflage along with a Battle Dress Uniform woodland camouflage, and a ghuillie suit he made at Scout Sniper School under the directions of his Marine instructors. The mission depended on what uniform, and what gear, to take out of the SWAT van during deployment. The new position suited Wagner well because it was to utilize many of his skills and ultimately give him the good fortune of being the most crossed training officer on the team."


Might as well take down the new pages with all the SPECIAL Schools you attended and graduated from as a SWAT shooter,that you now claim to have been ,LOL.
BOGUS BS,LOL.