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[JimH]

Jeff C,
I am sure you ,knowing Wagner as you do,are as sure as I am that
The clip of Jim wagner on the C130 is a staged op.
The picture appears to be a CSMR AIR CREW on a Training flight,in which Mr Wagner must have used his Black Belt contributor staus and his CMSR GROUND credentials to hop a photo op.
He is NOT Part of the Mission he is an observer on a ride.

Thank you Jeff C for you insightful posts on this Fraud called Jim Wagner.

Now some questions for Mr Wagner:
Mr Wagner,
On your site you have a picture titled "Costa Mesa Sniper Team"
There is a photo,with a person circled,which is said to be you (does not look like you) and you are carrying a SHOTGUN,loaded with slugs (according to the picture notations).
Is the Shotgun a sniper weapon ?
I am also curious as to why you,(if the picture is you)are wearing a USMC Sweat shirt?

I also found it interesting that you posted all these SWAT and SNIPER photo's,and other pics in which you circle or point out the Costa Mesa SWAT patch.
then you posted this;
"SWAT Officer Jim Wagner’s last SWAT call-out was in 1997 when the Costa Mesa Police SWAT Team surrounded an apartment building in the 500 block of Hamilton Street in Costa Mesa where six men, smugglers known as “coyotes” were holding 12 illegal immigrants hostage at gunpoint. Jim worked at the Command Post for Lieutenant Ron Smith. "

Again all the SWAT stuff is smoke and Mirrors,you worked in the TOC,a non SWAT team position that they let you fill working the computer for diagrams and Building Blue Prints.

Since SWAT IS NOT a Full time JOB for member Officers,what did you DO in between call outs?
What were your duties as a COSTA MESA Police Officer SWAT Member in between call outs?
How many ACTUAL/OFFICIAL/Non Training SWAT Call outs did Costa Mesa have  between 1993 and 1996 when you were on the TEAM?
I also wonder why you say you were a member for 3 years on the Site in this version of your bio and Claim in other places to have been a member of Costa Mesa SWAT for 5 years?

How many ACTUAL entries did you OFFICIALLY make as a MEMBER of the Costa Mesa SWAT.
How many ACTUAL OFFICIAL Jobs required you to take a POSITION as a SNIPER where YOU took position and put the cross hairs on a suspect and waited for a shoot command?

You also say that your boss allowed you,and others ,to use work time to go to USMC Camp Pendleton and train and use the ranges.
How far out of your district did you go on tax payer time?
About what 40 - 50 miles from Costa Mesa to the ranges at Pendleton?
And you went as often as possible you say??
If SWAT had a call out while you were working and you and OTHERS were at Camp Pendleton,how would you get back and respond in a timely fashion?

You say in your article people said you were not on SWAT that you just brought up Blue Prints,but these people DO NOT know your training.
Training does not mean Crap if you do not meet the QUALIFICATIONS,mental,physical and skills wise to make a TEAM.
(Did you not have an article on how to use the Hike Stalk Shoot courses as a way to Back Door your way into SWAT?)

[JeffC]

Jim H,
I would bet my retirement that the clip on the C-130 is a staged op.  Like you said, he must be on the computer 24/7 to come up with these responses so fast.   

[Bri Thai]

Let's be fair.

Jim did NOT reveal himself to a femal deputy. 

That's at least one good thing, isn't it?

[grlaun]

Let's be fair.

Jim did NOT reveal himself to a femal deputy. 

That's at least one good thing, isn't it?

That's funny, I don't care who you are.

[JimH]

Course description written by Jim Wagner for Hike Stalk Shoot (June 2000)

"It�s cuffing techniques used by the California Department of Corrections, gun retention drills from the Israelis, FBI, and Royal Canadian Mounted Police, choke-hold counters from the Mexican Police, approaching methods from the US Marshals SOG, and the list goes on and on. In other words, Jim uses only that which works and has put them in one package. The techniques are simple �no-brainer techniques� that have been proven time and again on the streets and in actual combat, not the stuff born out of some martial arts studio."

The above material would sell ,and has been proven by Wagner to sell.

What I do not get is the need to place himself into the equations as the Justifier that these materials,though simple and basic,work.
They are the corner stone of all fighting arts,BASICS

Had he sold his materials WITHOUT the HYPED UP BS about himself,No One would care.
(though it probably would not sell as well as having a SUPPOSED Real Deal Done it ALL Operator teaching you)

The above to me is the same type sales pitch as used by the Darren Levine Krav Maga  sales  teams.
The techniques have been proven in combat against a determined enemy by the Military,the Police and Security forces.

The same sales hype as used to sell GBJJ.
Proven in Combat ,life and death fights on the street.
Helio Gracie then says in an article NONE of the FAMILY after Him EVER fought in the street,only in the ring.

I have said repeatedly,over and over,Wagners Course is Basic Materials with Nothing Special.
Here are Jim Wagners OWN Words on his course:
"The techniques are simple �no-brainer techniques"

Fine and Well,Simple -No Brainer works.

Then we have the implied sales pitch that he has done this stuff for REAL,Not just in training. 
(just in training is the same as the DOJO,No?)

" that have been proven time and again on the streets and in actual combat, not the stuff born out of some martial arts studio."

Funny,I thought the traditional arts taught in DOJO's were materials used on Battlefields ??

People like Wagner CANNOT just let the material sell itself,they must hype the Material and THEMSELVES,which is where the CON comes in.

BS equals CON

[Bri Thai]

Let's be fair.

Jim did NOT reveal himself to a femal deputy. 

That's at least one good thing, isn't it?

That's funny, I don't care who you are.

Why thank you (curtsey....).

 

[JimH]

Mr Wagner,
On your site you say that you joined the Dignitary Protection Unit in 2000 -2002.

On the HIKE Stalk Shoot site,the following is listed.(March 2001)

"Jim Wagner is a Chief Instructor for HSS International and has 10 years law enforcement experience in Southern California as a police officer. Assignments have included corrections, patrol, bicycle patrol, and SWAT. Trained as a police scout/sniper, Jim was responsible for providing tactical diagrams and running the Tactical Operations Center. Jim is HSS International�s chief Combatives instructor with 23 years of martial arts experience. He is a columnist for Black Belt magazine, and is regularly featured in SWAT magazine. Jim is also an ASLET instructor and Range Safety Officer. He is currently a deputy for the Orange County Sheriff's in California. "

Now you were sworn into the Police Department July 1991,Right?
So 10 years Law enforcement as a Police Officer as written above is Correct  for March 2001,Right?

The Above says SWAT.Trained as a Scout Sniper.
Trained as a Scout Sniper by whom?
The Marine Cerificate you posted?

Where does it say YOU were a Member of a SWAT Team?
It DOES NOT mention being on a SWAT Team as other Instructors for HSS are listed.

It DOES Say:
"Jim was responsible for providing tactical diagrams and running the Tactical Operations Center"

You wrote much of the materials on the HSS site ,didn't you?
I imagine you kept it updated regularly ,No?
(especially your profile as the dates fit)

Just trying to make sure you did not forget to update your information at that time.

I Wonder how in 2001 you did not include the Dignitary Protection Unit position?

It does say:
"He is currently a deputy for the Orange County Sheriff's in California. "

March 2001 still a deputy for the Orange County Sheriff ,thought you were in Dignitary Protection?

Even if it was an error not updating your bio on the site I would still like to know:
Who trained you as a SCOUT SNIPER?
Why No mention of you being ON a SWAT Team?
Why Only Post about providing Diagrams for the TOC?
(especially if REALLY a SWAT Team member,like in the Photo's of you and the SWAT Team,LOL)

These are all YOUR Words from a site you worked on with your computer skills,for a company you worked for.

Hey don't worry about being caught out Jim.
It's the TRAINING not the jobs you did,Right?
LOL.

[noload]

In Wagner's favor, he is a master of the 'chucks.

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/images/CMPD_nunchaku.pdf


Anyways, has Wagner ever admitted to being wrong about anything?

[noload]

It does say:
"He is currently a deputy for the Orange County Sheriff's in California. "

March 2001 still a deputy for the Orange County Sheriff ,thought you were in Dignitary Protection?

Scroll to the bottom for more info on the DPU and the sheriff he was guarding.
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4084.0.html

[JimH]

Hi Mr Wagner,
New Day.
New Questions.

How did you end up leaving the RESERVE Sheriff's Department (DPU) ?
I stress the word RESERVE as many seem to believe it was REGULAR /Full Time Sheriff /Sergeant ?
Did you resign on your own accord.
Were you asked to resign?
Were you told to leave?
Were you just TERMINATED ?


Hey Jim
Have you ever said that you not only get to train Police and Military around the World but that they invite you to their training and you have even gone on REAL WORLD MISSIONS  with Foreign Military units?

Can you PLEASE Define REAL WORLD Missions as they relate to Foreign Military Units as I am sure the State Department would like to see the paperwork and clearance for that.

REAL WORLD as defined by the MILITARY means that you conduct an operation of some sort in which the Possibility of Engagement with and enemy force and the Possibility of weapons use exsists.
Is this your definition of Real World?
As you seperate it from training?
As you seperate Reality Based training from DOJO Martial arts,lol ?

ARE You AIRBORNE Qualified?
If So have you attended a Military Jump School or a Civilian Course?

I ask as it seems you have said that you JUMPED with Marines?
Jumped as defined in what capacity?
Jumped as from a Helo in Repel?
or
Jumped as in PARACHUTING from a platform such as a Military Helo,Prop Plane,Jet or Balloon?

Do you have a certificate of Clearance for That/Those Jumps ?


I made reference to a picture of you supposedly searching for a CAR BOMB as a RESERVE Deputy Sheriff.
I observed that you apparently had NO CLUE as to what you were doing.

Did you ever say
"I don't really know much about bombs"
Said after 9/11 ,after the Photo of you searching for ONE ??

Jim
I told you the longer questions are out there.
The more your name and questions are read the more people who know things will bring them forward.

Wow a hear a song in my head:
Pink Floyd and the WALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN

[lakerssportsfan]

I made reference to a picture of you supposedly searching for a CAR BOMB as a RESERVE Deputy Sheriff.
I observed that you apparently had NO CLUE as to what you were doing.

The photo was captioned by the paper that he was searching for a bomb. The paper really doesnt know better and wants to make it sound dramatic. In reality he was just checking vehicles as countless other security people have done.

Wow a hear a song in my head:
Pink Floyd and the WALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN

Theres something wrong with your head. Thats a line from a Bruce Springstein song. Pink Floyds song the Wall had different lyrics.

[Hock]

Is it John Mellencamp?
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/john+mellencamp/crumblin+down_20074495.html

Hock

[JimH]

Yes ,I stand corrected,it was Mellencamp.
I was thinking of Floyds another brick in the wall,LOl.
I have mentioned hearing the Mellencamp song on here before and did not want to repeat myself,but I unintentionally did,LOL.
BRICKS are moving in the wall,or ,walls are falling down
No matter what ,the world as Mr Wagner knows it is CHANGING.

Quote Lakerssportsfan:
"The photo was captioned by the paper that he was searching for a bomb. The paper really doesnt know better and wants to make it sound dramatic. In reality he was just checking vehicles as countless other security people have done."

The photographer did not state
an Unknown Sheriff Department Sergeant searches a car for a bomb.

The Photographer had the Rank,the department and WAGNERS FULL Name correct,so that means he/she asked Wagner his name and what he was doing.

Wagner has the picture and the title on his site WITHOUT CORRECTION.
If it were Photographer photo ID Error then correct what was being done on the site.

Wagner also claims in other places on the site that he was searching the car for a Bomb.

Bombs,he knows Squat Diddly about Bombs.
He knows about prop bombs.
REALITY BASED  Props.
Prop Blood,Prop Knives,Prop Bombs,Prop Floor Debris,Prop Pistols.

I would love him to show me how to build and or identify and defuse a Bomb.

Hey Jim
Ever Crimp a Blasting Cap,LOL.
How do you check Time fuse?
How many devices run to an explosive to ensure detination?
What is the mix to make an ammonia bomb?

Jim knows how to stuff pipes and wires in a suitcase and have students look at it in awe,LOL.

[grlaun]

He's probably got a EOD/Q-course certificate for the bomb stuff...

[JimH]

Mr Wagner,
on your site you say that you were STILL in the employ as a RESERVE sheriff when you applied to the Air Marshall program.
I believe you had already been GONE from that JOB.
(Job that is part time,weren't you supposedly doing loads of Reality Based training then,that was why you Supposedly left the Police and SWAT wasn't it?)

Can you please verify the following dates and information from your site:
(I know I have asked and stated this before)

"On April 18, 2002 Jim graduated with honors (Academic Award achieving the average score of 97.68 and qualifying as EXPERT on the Practical Pistol Course), and was sworn in as a full-time Federal Agent."

"Jim Wagner decided to resign from the federal government working his last day on September 11, 2003 - the one year anniversary of the terrorist attacks."

Are you sure you left/resigned in 2003 ??
or
DID YOU GO,(how ever Go came about) in August 2002

If you left in August 2002,which I am sure you did,then you did FAM for 3 Months as I have indicated before,No?

Caught again Jim ??

Phony