Robb,
I understand your point and your goal.
I KNOW that Wagner has NO Instructor Certification for anything he teaches,except maybe Kapap from Avi.
Wagner's Instructorship ,he thinks,is from taking and or most times being involved as an assistant to a legit trainer in HSS courses.
He took a course,and or assisted and he believes that alone made/makes him qualified to teach that subject matter.
Look at where he says in his letter to the FAM,that he wanted to attend and EVALUATE the shooting course Fam uses.
He is on the job 6 months and he wants to evaluate the training ?
What skills does he have ,aside from weekend warrior game play at HSS, to evaluate training set up by some of the best INSTRUCTORS in the US Military/US Government ,Police Departments and FAM ?
The Answer is NONE
He has written ,and I have posted before ,on howhe, Wagner, took and assisted on a basic Scuba course.
He then tells how HSS had NO ONE Else to teach a Course on ADVANCED Scuba and they,HSS, asked him and he said he would do it and did.
He represented himself as an advanced diver and taught the course,and he says when it was over he told the people and asked them how he had done and No One complained.
This is the type of stuff that have become normal for him,associate or assist and suddenly He is the LEADER and or the INSTRUCTOR .
As you say HE,WAGNER, HAS NO INSTRUCTOR COURSES AND OR QUALIFICATIONS as a LEGITIMATE Instructor in anything he teaches.
He even says in his writings that doing something is enough to Instruct it as long as you have an Instructors mind set.
My point about Wagner writing "HIS students doing a sniper crawl at MOUT training" was to show that he did it under the HSS banner,as an HSS Instructor,with the only qualification as having taken or assisted on the course when taught by a legit instructor.
Imagine a full fledged PHONY claiming to have instructed USMC Snipers,Special Forces,Israeli SF,GSG 9 and other Elite units around the world ?
He presents Thank You for coming letters as if they are representative of his being a part of the unit ?
Some of the Letters to his Orange County Sheriff seem more like,excuse Mr Wagner for not being at work as he was here or there teaching us something,lol.
Imagine this guy was a CMPO, and he and another officer would drive 45 minutes,(one way) to Camp Pendelton to hang and train with the USMC while ON DUTY.
If they were on Patrol ,who covered their sector ?
If needed how did they respond ?
If both were on SWAT,how were they on call ?
Imagine the people of Costa Mesa Paying for Officers to serve and Protect and they are off playing dress up as Marines ,getting ZERO Qualifications or Training usable as Part of the duties as Police Officers ?
Wagner WAS NOT on SWAT as a shooter so what was his justification for leaving his post and the City Of Costa Mesa to Play with the US Marines ?
Wagner has posted his qualifications as a PO:
Pistol qual
chemical spray qual
Asp Qual
Life saving cert
And the all important Bike Patrol
As far as the Costa Mesa Police department that is ALL he is/was qualified in for their purposes.
My concern for Wagner,Moni and those like them are that they are SUCKING people in with a BS Resume,one that sounds too good to be true and this attracts people looking to associate with them,looking to spend money and Instruct under them and the people spend a lot of good ,hard earned,money and now that it is found that these men BSed everyone,those who spent the money are left holding the now empty bag in regards to return on investment.
I do not like people who sell the heroics of others and claim it as theirs to sell a MARTRIAL ARTS skill,or to sell themselves to make money,when the claims are ALL Pure BS.
Wagners course is basic and he could teach it with out the hype,though without the hype the numbers training and or instructing under him would be very very small.
The same goes for Moni,his skills are good and with out the hype the materials could sell,but not as when associated with a Great military back ground and claims of being an assistant founder,creator and instructor to the Elite of Israeli military.
Keep up the Great work on getting the word out Robb.
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