hello Hock,
I agree with you and i think that is part of what people like moni and jim wagner take advantage of that outside of there countries people will not know any better about what they are advertising. In israel the only that a persons military record can be made public is if it under investigation for a reason that relates to the public, a good example is like if moni aizik was advertising to the public false information and selling something to people with that false information. But the problem is that an investigation will not take place just because the government knows about what he is doing, they will only turn it into an investigation if people make a complaint that and show that they have been hurt by what he is advertising, and in israel no one complained about him because he does not advertise or sell his service in israel. He knows much better than to do that. Remeber that everyone in israel does military service, and if he advertises his lies here many poeple will be able to check very quickly on him and when it comes to things in his advertisement like his story about helping to develop krav maga for the IDF, or working with Imi, or being in an ambush that never existed in israel history people will know right away that he is lieing.
The israeli goverment, i can tell you with a guarantee, will respond and investigate if people from America complain. Every official who know about moni in the IDF special forces like the counter terror school, wingate, and the yamam are not allowd to make a complaint to start an investigation, the goverment will view it as a public or civilian matter.
I spend time with my work traveling to the US alot, and i interact with mnay police departments there. I have had conversations with people from the FBI a few times about moni, the US government can start and carry out an investigation even if moni lives in canada and not the US, if he is advetising his fals advertisements in the US, and taking money from US citizens, it does not mater where he lives they can investigate and charge him. But before that can happen US citizens have to complain that they beleve they were defrauded. Then the FBI will contact israel and get information, and if a US authority contacts israel, israel will have no choice but to give them the information.
JimH,
there is alot of details that you are misinformed about my friend.
first, Imi was not 'hired by the israeli government to teach fitness along with sport based arts of boxing and wrestling'
Imi was recruted by the Jewish defense organizations before israel and the IDF were created to train them in hand to hand combat and military tactics. Imi started his self defense training when he was a little boy in boxing and wrestling, in world war 2 he was a combat soldier in the Czech army fighting against the nazis. This already seperates him from moni aizik and leaves moni aizik in the bottom drawer of non warriors! Moni never had 1 day in his life of combat experience, or more important combat training and qualifications!
Imi had alot of fighting experience and real combat experience from world war 2 and from defending jewish people from nazi attacks in europe before the war. During all these years, before Imi even went to israel, he was already creating krav maga which dealt with real street defense against all attacks and weapons.
In 1948 when Israel was created the IDF was created, all of the commanders and leaders of the IDF and the states of Israel were absorbed into there new official positions in the government and IDF from the jewish defense organizations. The first IDF chief of staff was Yacov Dori, he was a commander in the Haganah, one of the jewish defense organizations. Imi was absorbed into the position of chief commander of the the hand to hand combat section wich at that time was seperate, several years later the IDF created a physical fitness section and put it under the command of the hand to hand combat section. Imi appointed people that were experienced with physical fitness to run that section while he continued his duty of hand to hand combat. By this time his self defnese system already had more than 15 years of experience in combat, and his system was named krav maga, and the hand to hand combat section was named krav maga.
From the first day of the IDF krav maga dealt with and Imi trained IDF soldiers in hand to hand combat, defense against knifes and guns and sticks, using knifes for combat and all that relates to hand to hand combat, not boxing and wrestling!
Imi served in the IDF for over 20 years and had many years of real combat experience. Moni aizik served in the IDF for 2.5 years and had only experience in counting how many push ups soldiers do and blowing a whistel when they did enough!
You say that jim wganer's guilt can be proved from him always changing the information on his web site? The second that krav maga officials exposed that moni had nothing to do with the creation of modern krav maga for the IDF, he stoped claiming that in his advertising and in interviews, the second that it was exposed that Imi retired from the IDF in 1968, and moni claimed that he was assigned to work with Imi for 6 monthson the 'new system' in 1974, he changed his story to saying that he only met Imi and talked about krav maga on 1 or 2 times!
Do you realy think it makes sense that a 20 year old kid (moni at that time) that was not a combat soldier, with no combat qualification or experience, would be tasked with creating a hand to hand combat system for the IDF along with a 64 year old man that was in a war, had combat experience, and was 20 years in charge of krav maga for the IDF?
The military pictures on moni's web site! under the military photos section of his site, there are 20 photos, out of those 20 photos there are only 5 of moni from his army service time. 4 are black and white and they show exactly the fact of what he did during his service which was physical fitness, those are pictures of him taking part in sport day that happens every year in the IDF even today. All the rest of the photos are photos he downloded from isayeret.com, they are photos of yamam officers in training, they have nothing to do with moni aizik, and in all of those photos they are wearing masks and helmets so you cant even see the faces, moni put them there so people will assume it his him! In his time of service the uniforms, boots, and weapons and equipment in the photos did not even exist!
Before moni decided to pertend that his system had something to do with krav maga he called his system combat survival. you can even see it in his dvds, his first set are called combat survival, then all of a sudden his new dvds are called commando krav maga, after 30 years don't you think that the system's origin and name would stay the same!
Jim, when did you take moni's courses? Today moni does not say much when he talks about himself or his system because he knows people are aware of his lies and that the real people that know about him are always listening to hear if keeps on lieing to stop him from lieing. But his advertising stays the same, that he is an ex israeli special forces commando, a world renowned combat expert and a counter terrorism expert.
Jim, just like Hock did, do you think that a person that claims he was in the military, and is selling something to people that is based on his military experience has to show his military record to the people that give him money if the ask to see it? For several years now many people have been asking him and he refuses to say where he served and to show his record.
You say you only saw nir's response about moni but that nir got into trouble for talking and that he also sells his material like moni and that you never saw any high up IDF memeber or special forces member say moni is lying.
Nir is the current chief counter-terror and krav maga instructor for all the IDF special forces and has been in the IDF special forces for over 5 years, so he is not considered a high up IDF member or special forces memeber as far as you concerned?
i know nir, my unit worked with him alot, and i still see him when i do my reserve duty. it's important to say something about him not being allowed to talk. He told the public that moni and avi were exagerating their claims about their backgrounds and systems and that before anyone pays them money they should ask for their military records for porfe. when moni and avi complained they never mentioned to the IDF command that nir is telling the public that they are lyine about their bacjgrounds, they only complaind that nir is trying to take advantage of his position to help his business! Jim you were the creator fo the the hand to hand combat system for the US army and a ex commando for the US special forces, and you still trained the US special forces in your system once a month, and some army official was telling the public that you were lying to the public about your background and training the US special forces, wouldn't that be the first and main issue of your complaint to that person's commander. wouldnt you tell his commander that he is telling lies about a distinguishe member of the US special forces?!
moni and avi never talked one word about there backgrounds to the IDF command with there complaint because they knew that if the command would look into there backgrounds they would not even bother to call nir in to explain himself. As soon as nir showed the command monia dn avis claims, and they checked on them, the complaint was thron away and nir was not ordered not to talk about moni or avi, he was ordered to stay busy with his military work and not get involved in public forums, and he was given a warning about releasing his name and position in public.
Nir made a video about self defense more than 6 years ago, when he was out of the army, and before he even knew that he was going to go back into the army, and he does not sell his videos another company does. He is not trying to sell his system like moni does, he does not have an organization that is taking koney from people to teach his system, and giving seminars everywhere, and making instructor courses.
Hock is selling videos and a system, and seminars, and courses, why should i beleve his word on jim wagner then? (just making a point for principle Hock, i do respect what you say about jim wagner
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You say you have seen others in the IDF special forces say that moni is what he says he is. people on his web site. on his web site there are only 3 people that have served in the IDF and only one of them has served in the special forces.
1-Lt. colonel chaim peer. the only person there that actualy served in the special forces. he does not say that moni is what he says he is. all he says there is “Moni is a teacher’s teacher-a master instructor. His DVD’s are a must have!" how does that say that moni did in fact serve in the special forces, was a commando, created krav maga for the IDF special forces, is a world renowned combat and counter terrorism expert, and trains the IDF special forces once a month?
2-avi nardia. avi nardia was hired as a self defense instructor for the yamam for about 2 years. he was not in the special forces in the army or a member of the yamam.
3-doron kay - 416-849-1012, call doron and ask him if he actually knows for fact what moni did during his service or if he just did moni a favor with that testimonial because he used to train with moni in canada many years ago.
The funny thing with entire post, i remember a few years ago there was the big black belt article jim wagner made about israeli krav maga, the entire article was ridiculus because the information was all wrong of course because his sourse was moni and avi, so they directed the article to support them. But i remember that day, i was still in the yamam, and a few of us including our krav maga instructor for the unit we were sitting and looking at the picture in the article with jim wagner, moni aizik an davi nardia standing together, like they say a picture tell a thousand words!
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