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Taken
« on: February 04, 2009, 03:51:29 PM »

Just saw Taken with Liam Neeson
Great movie!
Great choreography!
My only question...
Why didn't they cast Hock!
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Re: Taken
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 04:20:28 PM »

Because I am a lame American.

All heros come from England and Australia. They just change their accent.
And they settled for Liam Nelson after Christain Bale, Russell Crowe and the Oz Werewolf guy backed out of the part.

Oh, did I mention they first asked Clive Owen, when Daniel Craig was busy?

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Re: Taken
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 04:31:29 PM »

After the poorly filmed fight scenes in Batman Begins etc; could anyone comment on the choreography in "Taken", since it was probably also KFM?
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Re: Taken
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 07:47:59 PM »

I enjoyed the movie.
The Fight scenes were in your typical Fast and Dark filming ,as so many films today,so you see action but find it hard to figure out what they are doing.

The fight scenes were taught,trained and choreographed by Mike Gould former British SAS and his art of  Shinsai Goshin Kai
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Re: Taken
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 09:41:00 PM »

British choreagraphers!
You see, you can't even have Americans behind the scenes.

(But I think the film was French anyway?)

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Re: Taken
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 11:18:24 PM »

The movie was written by Luc Besson (wrote and directed the professional and Transporter)...

Choreography was awesome...Mickey Gould is indeed ex 22SAS and choreographed all the combatives (including the pistol work) in Heat, Collateral and Miami Vice as well as this one.

Rocking movie...I'll be watching it again.

Nick
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Re: Taken
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2009, 05:02:18 AM »

What about Nick's new favorite,
Marley and Me!
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Re: Taken
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 05:29:50 AM »

Because I am a lame American.

All heros come from England and Australia. They just change their accent.
And they settled for Liam Nelson after Christain Bale, Russell Crowe and the Oz Werewolf guy backed out of the part.

Oh, did I mention they first asked Clive Owen, when Daniel Craig was busy?

Hock

Bejeeesus! -   Would ya look at that now?  Diddley doh!  You're a fool your nothing else!  Bejeeeesus!  Begorrah begorrah begorrah!  Liam Neeson is an Irishman.

And I have this idea that Mick Gould is a Welshman? (not sure though) though, in fairness, you did change the word "English" into British, which may take you nearer the mark (unsure which side of the border Neeson is from).

 ;D

Not a bad film.  If anything they overdid the potential capabilities of the guy to the detriment of credibility. But I did enjoy the fight scenes anyway.
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Re: Taken
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 06:31:43 AM »

Yeah Gould is a Taffy...i think. Modern day fight scenes piss me off, Fast camera angles and bad lighting grrrr. I put a fight scene together for the worlds worst movie a few years ago. Man if DVD came out in a Beta format, this would have been a winner for sure. Anywho by the time the axman had finished what he refered to as creative editing it really looked like the guy had caught bad case of "the ghey" On the plus side I got drunk with Roddy Piper and called Nick Mancuso an assclown!
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Re: Taken
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 07:09:50 AM »

Begosh and begora!
I've lost all me' lucky charms!
Your right I should have at least said British not English. (I really do know better)
I would correct it but then these entries would seem senseless....? So rather than correct it, I will stand corrected.

I do think that I heard Taken was a mostly French made movie. Reviewers were complaining that the dialogue was a bit "translated French" in parts and they, like the Transporter" had "French Connections" in the story line. I see now one of the main writers and the director, and backers were French. (Don't the kids go to Paris in the movie? Lots of scenes there.)

I didn't like the movie Colateral for several reasons and one was the action. As stated here before I thought the alleyway shootout was target-range-fantasy that I often reproduce in seminars with sims to show how easily Cruise could have been shot down, and what he could have done to prevent that. But as you read later down here, Mann wanted a quick draw finish. Imperative to the plot and character. Gould must do what he must do. And, once Cruise was shot square in the head in the end, I didn't expect to see him run several 100 yard dashes through train stations. I recall not thinking much of that bar scene action either.

But Heat? Heat was tight and breathtaking and the bank robbery shoot-out, (more like fire and maneuver SAS) was an amazing movie segment.  And a classic, clean, perfect gangbusters movie from start to finsh. American police were also on scene to to consult the action on that also.

Most times the on-scene experts' advice are ignored by the movie people for the "sake of the art" and these scenes are constructed virtually by committee. I know ex-cops who hang around sets all day to tell an actor how to hold a pistol when they walk through a doorway and when the scene is shot? the director tells them to change the grip anyway because the unsafe way looks cooler. I have seen this myself on Walker, Texas Ranger shoots. ( we see this all the time, don't we?) So its hard to BLAME a consultant for a weird thing in a film he knew looked dumb.  

Gould was really credited for taken Cruise and Nielson aside for "a time" and teaching them combatives. Did he shut down the movie set and take complete contol of all the action scenes? Unlikely. Possible? Well, but, unlikely. These things are done by commitee. If you read below, Mick has a long history with Mann and Mann probably trusts him.

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From a USA gun magazine:

Cruise Learns to Shoot
In Paramount’s film Collateral, an otherwise ordinary film was made extraordinary with the use of advanced firearms training and proper gun handling. In this film, “Vincent,” played by actor Tom Cruise, is a calculating hit-man that uses a cabbie, played by actor Jamie Foxx, to carry him on a job; one night, five stops, five hits.

Blockbuster Director Michael Mann designed much of the film around certain shooting scenes. He started by sending Cruise to the L.A. County Sherriff’s firing range for technical instruction by Mick Gould, retired British SAS.

“Is that my briefcase?” asks Vincent of two thugs that stole his list. “What are you going to do about it?” one of the thugs asks. Vincent then draws and shoots his nearest assailant from the hip. In one fluid motion, Vincent quickly addresses his second threat, extending his arms for a two-handed double tap. The whole clip lasted 1.3 seconds, but it set the tone for the rest of the movie.

“He’s a quick-draw,” stated another actor. Cruise learned advanced techniques such as point shooting, shooting from the hip, shooting from the ground and speed reloads. Cruise noted that for many movies they only get to shoot blanks. Having the opportunity to shoot at the L.A. Sherriff’s Office firing range, training became more realistic for the actor with the use of live ammo.

“It was great and it definitely adds a dimension,” said Cruise.


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"Michael Mick Gould served 10 years in the British Special Air Service. He retired then later became a technical advisor on many films involving weapons and fight sequences, including Miami Vice, Collateral, The Score, Ronin, The Replacement Killers, The Long Kiss Goodnight and Heat. He often works alongside Michael Mann and Robert De Niro. He is also trained in several martial arts including Goshinkwai Yawara Renmei fighting discipline.

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Fun photos and observations on Heat shoot-outs from a gun guy forum.
http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=1&f=136&t=375742

In one or two photos, I note the actors closing one eye to shoot the big guns, a no-no in today's expertise world. Okay by me, but some modern, anal retentists complain about that. Also the subject of suppressive fire comes up in the banter.

Hock


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Re: Taken
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 07:15:19 AM »

Good Flick! 

Well worth seeing again.   Interesting premise and fun ride. No TALKING TO DEATH -- the bad guys (or good guys).    Violence as violence is.
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Re: Taken
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 06:59:08 PM »

Mick Gould did not do the gun stuff for Collateral; it was an ex-LA cop as recounted on the special features of the DVD.  Gould did do the H2H stuff for Collateral and teamed up with Andy McNabb for all the action in Heat. 
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Re: Taken
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 07:38:49 PM »

Collateral is a far better film than Taken in my view. 

It has a surreal quality that makes it a bit "arty...." but also makes it more of a film experience, rather than just the run of the mill "goodies and baddies." 

Both still fun to watch.  Personally I bought Collateral as soon as it came out.  Taken?  I'll wait until it is in the £3.99 bargain basement.  It won't be too long.
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Re: Taken
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 10:28:08 PM »

Anyway!
Finally saw Taken.
Kept me very interested start to finish.
Love how he handled all the bad guys. Death. Quick death. I mean these guys were really bad guys.

For a script? It was complete for what it started out to accomplish.

Lots of "Hollywood" escapes. Lots fo unreal events BUT...certainly entertaining.

Oh but of life could work out so wsell. But not so well for all the other girls huh? And the system lives on. Walker, Texas Ranger would have squashed the whole operation!

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Re: Taken
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 03:20:00 PM »



   Saw "Taken" last night. Loved it. On a side note, I rented it on a "blu-ray" disc. Clerk told me once I saw it on that format, I'd be hooked. Me and the ol' lady still can't tell the friggin' difference between that and a dvd. Picture looked the same, but it cost twice the price of a dvd. Funny thing is I have vhs tapes from 15 years ago, that work perfect, and dvd's that are 2 weeks old that are ruined. Gotta love technology.

   Jason
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