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Author Topic: This week in training  (Read 488 times)

Kentbob

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This week in training
« on: April 26, 2009, 05:46:59 PM »

Alright, had drill this week, last one before I take off.  It was kind of a goat rodeo, but we won't get into that.

The highlights were familiarization with the new M110 sniper system, which is basically an accurized AR-10.  The weapon system wasn't bad, I'm thinking if we get some match grade ammo we'll be able to shoot up to the limit of the rifle.  I don't prefer it over the M-24, but there you go.  After that, we took out the M-107 Barrett .50 Cal "sniper rifle".  It's not bad, but not real great.  We put quite a few downrange with that, and shot an APC out at 1200 meters with it.  Biggest problem with that is that it's a 3 MOA rifle, so it's really not for shooting people.  Mostly cars and other hard targets.

On our third day of shooting, we went back to the range with the M110.  The first day with the M110, there were a bunch of police snipers from all over the country out there coaching us with our shooting.  My biggest problem is that since it's a semi-auto rifle, I can crank off the shots, one with each breath.  The shot group tightened up some when I took a longer time between shots, but not a whole lot.  Mike Tkac from a company called Center Mass Inc. was out at the range both days, helping everyone with our shooting, and running us through some different drills.  We did a couple stress drills, but the most interesting one, and ultimately the most useful, was the box drill.  Basically, you shoot three rounds in the center of the target, then make adjustments to upper left, lower left, lower right, and upper right, to ensure that your scope is moving as it should be.  This is valuable for anyone shooting a scoped rifle, as we found two scopes that weren't adjusting properly. 

We had a bit of an argument on the first day with the NCOIC and the RSO, about shooting with our suppressors.  The M110 comes with a suppressor that attaches easy as pie.  The RSO and NCOIC weren't sure why we would be interested in zeroing without the suppressor, even after we tried to explain that we wouldn't be using the suppressor all the time.  Bottom line, the suppressor changed the impact of the round significantly.  Also, the suppressor quieted the rounds to little more than that of a .22 rifle.  You don't even need ear protection with these things, and I'm thinking it will be great for urban sniping. 

Ultimately, Mike from Center Mass Inc. shared a lot of insight, knowledge, as well as experience.  I'd recommend them for anyone interested in some advanced training for their department or unit.

www.centermassinc.com

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Re: This week in training
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 04:40:25 PM »

Hi Kentbob.
I'm a little surprised to here you have police snipers training a military unit. Is that the norm over there? Are the police seen as leaders in the field? I would of thought there would be no shortage of experiance in the army given the tempo of Ops recently.

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Re: This week in training
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 10:31:06 PM »

I don't know why, honestly, but the man was very knowledgeable.  Some things are different, some things are the same.  As far as breaking in the new rifle and such, and familiarization, one's as good as another.  'Sides, we don't really have a lot of experience sniping in the state.  Is it common?  No, bt I'm more than willing to take advantage of the experience.


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Re: This week in training
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 08:34:14 AM »

I know some of the Michigan SWAT guys.
This has something to do with it no doubt:

Center Mass was born because of a recurring operational problem. The problem was a need for an innovative product that would assist the Police Sniper in the urban environment.

"In 1991, Jeff was hired by his suburban Detroit police agency. Four months later openings on his agencies part-time multi-jurisdictional SWAT Team became available. Due to his military background, he was allowed to compete for a slot and made the team.

In 1992, he attended Basic Sniper School and had the honor of being instructed by the Legendary Marine Corp Sniper, Carlos Hathcock and his assistants from the greatly respected Virginia Beach PD sniper unit. Jeff graduated from the course and his Police Sniping Career began."


Its hard for all reserves to get training and trainers. We joke here about weekend drill is often coffee, donuts and volley ball, and it can get like that at times....

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Re: This week in training
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 12:09:47 PM »

Well, I'm not going to lie, before I got to this new unit with the different mission, drill was pretty much 6 hours of riding on the bus, 2 hours of shooting, with a trip to the PX/Shoppette.  We weren't scheduled to deploy anywhere for a while, and also most of the rest of that battalion was already in the sandbox, so there wasn't a lot for us to do.  I think Annual Training was about 7 days out of 14 of actual training.  What a nightmare.  You can't keep infantry soldiers cooped up for 7 days with nothing to do. 

As to Center Mass, I'd heard of them, but never met any of them.  I thought it was a good class, if abbreviated because of training limitations and requirements.


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Re: This week in training
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 03:06:54 PM »

Kent,
Sounds like you had a fun and exciting training weekend.
Drills like that are sure to keep people interested and wanting more.

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