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[whitewolf]

After reviewing various knife fighting tactics (and this has prbably been addressed before)
what are thoughts on striking as boxer would using various knife attacks?

I.E. Piper knife fighting or phillipina style .

Sense the knife is a extension of the hand/arm it seems logical.

what says all to this?

Hard to pracrtise without a partner- so i use a hanging bag.

WW (ELB)

[Mr. Barnett]

Hi WW,
See Hock's Solo Command and Mastery video.  You need yourself a war-post, and get the gist of bangin away on something hard with your blades.  I use a pine tree.  Wear Eye Protection!
Hack away at the warpost using boxing, slicing, cutting, chopping, twisting action, and you will quickly see what works and what does not.  Some notes...If you practice with a small folding pocket knife, watch that you don't slide off the handle, and slice your friggin fingers!  A sign to the cops that you are the stabber!  Benchmade folders have a relatively good design to keep that from happening, but in heat of striking, if you don't have a solid grip on the handle, you will cut yourself.  I like to "dribble" like in basketball with larger knives.  Moving them around my body, and changing grip in standing, kneeling, and ground positions.  between and around my lower body.  The war post brings out the "what if i miss" scenario, where you may just slice yourself good.  In a real altercation, who knows what will happen.  Check that video out for sure,
Mr. Barnett

[whitewolf]

Mr Barnett- appreciate the info- couple questions-ok
1-in the dribbling are u holding blade forward or blade back towards your inner wrist-or both ways?

2-when your striking with blade is the othr hand in a blocking position with elbow blocking a stab to heart and back of hand covering eye area? or where?

wheni was in athens i took a seminar with a PSD group who taught KM also- the chief instructor was showing offensive knife movements and discribed and showed #2 abovear



Ill check hocks vidio out when i get home later this year

Thanks again for info-WW (ELB)

[Hock]

In my new knife book, I have a Chain of Command Drill. It’s a solo work out or as a class leader a great thing to lead or warm-up a group.

Imagine a large chain hanging straight in front of you. You are in a "fighting" stance/position.  Like a boxer you:

  1) Jab (or lead hand/lead shoulder strike)
  2) Cross (or rear hand, rear shoulder strike)
  3) Hook ( from lead shoulder)
  4) Uppercut (from rear shoulder)
  5) Descending overhand with a footstep. (from lead shoulder)
  6) Now switch leads
  7) Do again with other grip: Saber or Ice-pick/reverse


Only holding a knife. Now all good boxing and hand strike systems use three heights to their strikes, but they have a tendency to spread the various height strikes out over the systems...years even! Not good doctrine. Harder to remember and gaps between take too much time. Now look at this again:

  1) Jab (or lead hand/lead shoulder strike)
                   High target   (could be face or neck)
                   Medium height target  (could be heart, chest, upper stomach)
                   Low target ( could be lower stomach, groin)

  2) Cross (or rear hand, rear shoulder strike)
                   High target
                   Medium height target
                   Low target


  3:Hook (from lead shoulder)
                    High target
                    Medium height target
                    Low target

  4: Uppercut (from rear shoulder)
                     High target
                     Medium height target
                     Low target

   5: Descending overhand with a footstep. (from lead shoulder)
                      High target
                      Medium height target
                      Low target

    5: Now switch leads and do

In a quick drill you work a lot.
Now you see that there is right hand and left hand attack! Here is where one can:

      a) practice a secure hand-off, as such has been needed in combat, mentioned
           in WW II history as a gypsy trick or a gypsy switch
      b) use two knives ala Pacific Archipelago style
      c) work knife and support hand strikes, a very combative, needed tool

Anyway, this and more about this is in my new knife book with descriptions and photos.

http://www.hockscqc.com/shop/product391.html

[Mr. Barnett]

I'm positive that Hock's book will give you what you need.  Attacking the Chain is a great tool.  To answer your direct questions though, 1.  I am passing the blade between my legs and switching hands, and during the hand switch, i am concentrating and deeply imagining this happening in a real situation.  Concentrating on secure hand to hand transfers, and blade awareness, and the fact that i might be getting the shit pounded outta me.  Also, I am switching grips from reverse to forward, to the awkward somewhere in between grip that no one ever talks about, where you might get cut, but still maintain grip on the weapon, and use it effectively.  2.  My other hand, is striking, palming, blocking, and generally either kicking some ass, or getting the hell out da way.  The bigger the blade, the more easy to cut your other action hand.  Handling my knives regularly is just a familiarization drill.  I keep in mind that the more i handle my knife in awkward situations, the more i might not put my eye out, ala red rider bb gun style.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
Mr. Barnett

[whitewolf]

Excellent appreciate the details-ill look  for a place to try this out using the details discribed-ill review the above again  and again-WW (ELB)

[Hock]

As a gun fighter must change and shoot hands. As a stick fighter must at times also. A knife fighter must do the same, or at least know how to do it. Even switch grips.

Some short-sighted "experts" might try and argue about this, but that us because they are ill-trained, ill-educated on true events. (I have recently learned of some Euro and UK gypsy hand switches, that are worked on in my knife book)

It is a good skill to know and practice as the consumate student will do.

Hock

[Naso Karas]

I freakin LOVE this stuff!  Every time I come on this forum, I learn something!  Thanks to all the warriors, experts, instructors AND especially Hock for sharing!