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Author Topic: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues  (Read 2036 times)

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Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« on: August 31, 2009, 07:29:40 AM »

I learned a few new bits of business news lately.

To hang a Damian Ross Self Defense Company shingle on your door and teach "SDC?"
The dues are $5,000 a year. And, you cannot alter or deviate from the Ross outline.

To be a Paul Vunak instructor is $1,200 a year, or $100 a month.

Hock
(oh, I guess I should add, that I/SFC have no franchise fees, dues or tithings. Zero.)
 
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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 10:36:45 AM »

Hows this-screw them both
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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 11:24:51 AM »

Not to mention, but you write alot of good stuff.  Man, it kills me that these schmucks...but, is there really that much demand for schmuck stuff?  really where does that funding come from?

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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 11:31:58 AM »

Cause i was gonna write, that serious people take things seriously.  and If someone takes this stuff seriously?   I'm not ashamed to say that i take things seriously sometimes, and those guys?  are they  serious?   do they take things seriously? or is it a racket in their mind?  lying.
Those guys are on every "undergroundish, internet scene there is.  Fear mongeringeven?  Some of the guys that i've been training with, they are going to war in Iraq, or AF.  They take this shit seriously.

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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 11:40:29 AM »

I just yesterday downloaded all your magazines.  I found that i didn't  have several.  The material is excellent, and valuable.   Class act.  for sure the key on the net is internet payment systems, and image. But behind that, there has to be substance.  Your's of coarse is.  It is the reference.   Your research, experience and writing, documentation, and not to mention the cool group of folks.......anyways,  does that make me a redneck? 

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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 11:42:26 AM »

it's like spam martial arts.
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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 11:57:25 AM »

Ah- schmucky stuff- its what the world is made of (in a lot of cases)
what is important is to find a instructor who will teach, mentor,assist, help out the student who is weak and who is open to new ideas by some one in the class-

As i reach my 71st year in this schmucky world I am attempting to pick out the real instructors and deleate the crappy ones who will do most any
thing to make the $$ or put their name in lights.

When i attend a seminar and I start to train i never  never attempt to show off-what i see is lots of other atendees trying to get up on the sky line and be the big mathoot
I have taken 2 seminars from Hock and never ran into that type person- probably because Hock is one of real instructors around today. (Hock dont get a swelled head now- ;D ;D)

enough said for now-

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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 05:02:45 PM »

"Getting the Money to...."

For the Ross-like people (like his old buddy Captain Pizzo , McPizzo Shizzo,the fake Army captain. They both have regular full time jobs. They may or may not have come into some money for all this advertising. But, I note the full page color ads last as long as a "test" typical contract for a amagazine. (usual minumum 3 months) Then disappear. Which means they failed to produce in those three months.

I have seen a lot in my 14 or so years in this "international systems business" and what I predict is... these new guys make the same mistakes...

Typical mistake-Bad name - the Self Defense Compnay is a bad name. The demographic-the most active, 18 to 30 years old you want, think that "self defense" is an old ladies class. It just doesn't draw in the customer you want and need.

Typical mistake-Long term "in-and-out" money. They make $90,00 a year! But after about the third year they discover they spent $100,000 a year to make that $90,000 a year, but with the steady in-and-out of money, on a monthly basis it is hard to see until significant time passes. Usually tax prep for the third year. One suddenly asks...gee why am I behind $30,000?

Typical Mistake - Dues. Association dues is a very tricky thing, If you are dealing with people like Tae Kowon Do people, who expect and are used to a little abuse, they pay dues. Many modern people will not. I could rattle off a long list of "new" systems that have tried this and failed or have settled for WAY, way less (Los Angeles Krave Maga, Sayoc...etc) You have to be REAL carfeul about collecting monthly or annual dues. (of course there is needed local school attendence fees - I'm not talking about that here at all.

Speaking of ad money? Where are they now?

Tom Patire (master of Hand Squeezy system) had a rich friend in NYC who paid for all his ads. No more and notice...no more Tom

Mike Karanek of FIGHT/Hagganah had a rich friend pay for all his ads (which were EVERYWHERE a few years back). No more and when was the last time you saw an ad? ANY ad from him?

(Of course Jim Wagner would shining shoes if it weren't for free ads from Black Belt.)

Paul Vunak?
Vu still has a very dedicated small group of followers. I will always have a soft spot for VU and VU is a true 1980s pioneer, even though he is always in some kind of trouble. I truly wish VU would succeed in his positive plans. Vu is a genuine bad ass and he and his system (well before RAT) set me on a path away from the classics, as a pioneer, he remains on the horizon spotlight. With almost no ads at all.

Economics takes a long time to work out. But water seeks its own level when you take away the unnatural advantages of free advertsising, the names you've heard of in the past, disappear. Somewtimes slowly, but...poof.

Hock

 
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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 11:36:44 AM »

 

  Interesting comments, just wondering how much it costs to hang a Arnold Self Defense Company shingle?

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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 03:15:06 PM »

so damion promotes acting.  canned responses, with an outline that cannot change. 
ok, so if everyone knows these canned responses, it guess we're one up on em.  It's all theatre then.  Or, is that Ball Room Dancing Kansas Style?
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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 08:55:30 PM »

Just saw The Self Defense Company's ad on Police One/Calibre Press e-mail tonight.  Gaurdian Defensive Tactics... GDT.  Oh, well.  Stuff we've been doing for YEARS...
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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 09:10:27 PM »

Look a the cover and ad artwork.
A cop holding two pistols? No way. No sale. Speaks of someone NOT even remotely aware of law enforcement. Might sell a video game.

Plus the sample films are full of chokes.
They choose chokes as main samples to sell the set?
Bubba. Most if not almost all cops can't choke anyone, can't barely LOOK at a throat.
Speaks of someone NOT even remotely aware of law enforcement.

Of course the sales text has the cheap, "ONLY PROGRAM putting the officer first and the scumbag second." Scumbag. Oh, that's professionally impressive. If Ross had ANY idea of police work and police training and the myriad of police courses out there he might have an remote inkling what might sell and last on the market.

Ross is an ignorant, remote outsider with money to waste on ads.
He is as "good" as his ad money lasts.

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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 10:24:43 PM »

I didn't even bother to look through the website.  A bunch of bunk if you ask me...
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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 01:01:54 AM »

On this subject...a general warning...

DO NOT SIGN contracts to be "a rep" for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 years!!!!

If you go out of business, the headquarters expects the annual and monthly dues for the length of the contract.

When...WHEN...I ask will people smell a scumbag in advance?

Hock

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Re: Damion Ross, Self Defense Company $5,000 dues
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 07:24:03 AM »

Only when the idea to make a quick buck or learn something quick is ignored-
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