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[Hock]

A British businessman was stabbed 11 times in the face by thugs who barged into his house while he was feeding his 12-week-old baby son. Ricki Hall's wife listened in terror from upstairs as they turned the living room into a bloodbath, demanding money and screaming: 'Say your final words before we kill you.' The horrific attack took place in...

See photo of wounds...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217166/Baby-left-splattered-blood-father-stabbed-11-times-face-6-000-Rolex.html

[Adventure]

GOOD THING he did NOT have a GUN in the house. They may have taken it away from him & killed him with his own gun.

Thank God.

[Hock]

Of course that is what I was thinking when the poor wife was upstairs in fear of the life of her whole family. Even in the USA lots of families don't have guns and if they did what would that woman really do with it if she had one in the typical place-the bedroom. Virtually all gun owners are complete novices about real situational, combat shooting.

We had a number of Brit police attend the seminar last weekend and some of the weeknights in the U.K. and I got more of the inside story going on behind the news. Another serious problem they are dealing with now is trying to keep the girlfriends of criminals from hiding their boyfriend's guns at their houses.

And of course the man was slashed alot too, as evidenced by the wounds.

This could have happened anywhere, (and has happened) especially in the US states that are gun-hating "blue" states, and even in the red states where people don't have a gun.

It could have happened in Rosie O'Donnels gun-free, New York City house! Oh wait, I forgot, all her bodyguards carry guns...

You can't.
You shoudn't.
But Rosie can.

Hock
 

[whitewolf]

Couple of thoughts-
First-glad he survived the ordeal-and that the baby was ok too.
its too bad that he did not think "home security" and at least talk about it with his wfe previously -especially as he is pretty well off - and was a potential target for being robbed
This shows that in this day and age- showing off monatary things  i.e. expensive jewlery to the public is a beacon for the bad guys
Too bad they did not have a silent alarm of some type in the bedroom area  that she could have hit and a signal go to a alarm company to relay to police (if that would do any good ?)
I understand this occcured close to a area where some other family had been harrassed also.
It also apears that in a civilized country these days it is getting worse and worse to be
on the right side of the law.
Lastly- this family should get some training in defensive weapon training-and just dont hope it will not happen again- and get a peep hole in the doors.......before opening it up
Whitwolf (ELB)
"speed of light"
Sent from the good old USA )At last)

[Bryan]

  Whitewolf, Glad your back home, enjoy it, if you get bored or cold come see me.


  To bad about this guy. The headline was a little misleading as nowhere does he state he was stabbed. Cuts to the face are extremely messy, lots of blood. I doubt these guys are anything but first time idiots or they would know not to cut a man on the face, this is for many reasons. If they had done anything similar in the past it would put them on the radar. Not sure how English Police operate but if anyone has a home invasion in America and hacks somebodies face up they go to the top of the wanted list.

  I dont know the guy and dont know his wife but if I was a cop I would be taking a very hard look into her background and friends. Reasons for that are all circumstantial and she may be completely innocent. Then again she is almost 20 years younger than this BMW dealer and could easily have a few loser ex boyfriends around somewhere even if she didn't have a clue as to what was going on.

[Hock]

As an aside, the police tell me it is not uncommon for bad guys in the area to simply see flashy or expensive cars outside in the driveway - as was this case - and home invade the house. There have been a rash of similar home invasions.
Hock

[Bryan]

As an aside, the police tell me it is not uncommon for bad guys in the area to simply see flashy or expensive cars outside in the driveway - as was this case - and home invade the house. There have been a rash of similar home invasions.
Hock

  Kinda goes without saying, fancy neighborhood, fancy cars, rich people. The part that's troubling to me is the guy having his face slashed up. Having worked with some security staff in a violent atmosphere, the first thing I told the new guys was to never even hit people in the face. It tends to get people pissed off and if you disfigure a man he is much more likely to be out for serious revenge. There are other factors at play, the biggest being the kinda mess it creates, not good if there is a investigation.


  Maybe you can ask around and see if this anything new or something that's been going on over there, slashing up faces? I see people here all the time with big hack marks across the left side of their faces, sometimes missing a eye, sometimes hacked into the nose. Its a regular thing to have a drunk villager make a overhand right swing with a local version of a machete right across the face, many are killed the same way. One night three guys got hacked to death in the parking lot of the grocery store next to my old house but in all episodes they were going for kills, not disfigurement. In fact I cant think of one episode over here where the attacker was not going for a kill, weird culture, they do not believe in fighting, only murder.

[whitewolf]

Morning  bryan=thanks it is good to be home in the clarksville area-i forget where u located?
ww (elb)
"speed of light"

[Hock]

I worked and helped catch a string of armed robbers in the Army where some bad guys taped single edged razor blades between their fingers and face-slapped their victims during the robbery. The victims never really felt any of the slashes. Just more like the palm strikes.

I guess that's where the term "senseless violence" sometimes comes in.

Eventually I will hear if they solved the cases. Next trip.

Hock

[Bryan]

  WW, I'm still in Thailand growing bananas in my backyard. The weather is unbelieveable today, I'm sitting in my office with shorts, no shirt, and a fan blowing, soon to be heading out the door for my afternoon hike.

  Hock and WW, You guys are up early this morning, I'm 12 hours ahead of you guys over here on the other side of the earth.


  Senseless violence, unfortunately I grew up around it in Arkansas. Idiots know no boundaries, if they catch the people that hacked this guy up they should lock them in a room with him and let him take care of it himself. Makes me interested to see what if anything will happen to the criminals even if they are caught.

[whitewolf]

Yes i wake up every day around 4 am-it will take a awhile to adjust
one thing that is killing me is how polite most drivers are- we went on base (ft campbell)
yesterday and i went crazy every one does the speed limit-and most all were polite to other drivers- i am used to kuwaite where the vast majority just hit the petal to the metal and go for a opening-
guess ill be ok though

As for attack on the husband- i dont think that the wife was envolved-the showing of "money" was more probably the reason-but i do wonder why they just did not threaten him and ransack the home more-i.e. for hidden $/jewlery
and go find the wife also and hold her also while they searched the home-didnt they case the home before hand?
lots of questions on this one?
ww(elb)   "speed of light"