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[Hock]

All these organizations and accronyms don't exist in the USA like in other countries. Dealing with our government and then loosely-jointed, disconnected police agencies and businesses is a disjointed, disconnected nightmare. (I'll bet the UK is liek this too.)

Local police teach their local police any of the mandated courses. This year in Texas is a Mandated Legal update course, all taught by the local training officers handed an outline from the state. A few years back was child abuse and then domestic violence. All taught by very local people - for free - or the training section people.

Not so sure we have these "venders" here either that can easily hook us up to thousands and thousands of potential customers. (Maybe we have...You-tube???)

So, good luck with all that. I think a good test period is one to three years. If you have a great deal of money to invest, it might three years before you realize where all the old and new money is and went.


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[arnold]

I'm gonna have my own system pretty soon. There will actually be two system. The first will be "Thinksafe" This system will teach those liberal fucking idiots to pull their heads out of their asses and deal directly with reality.
The second will be "Drinksafe". It will consist of a specially created life belt and bungee cords to anchor one self to the bar so as not to fall over after your 11th Black Label. It of course will be "Wolfie" approved. And the belt will be Corinthian leather, not Spiffy Yellow.

[redcap]

Thank you for your input, Arnold, as constructive as ever.

In Australia the police are broken into the AFP or Australian Federal Police, who today are more an FBI type outfit with the DEA thrown in and state police. The Australian Protective Service is a uniformed  security agency, jobs such as guarding embassies and so on.

Each state and territory has its own police force. They have training agendas and usually one training day per month. This month it will be raising revenue by upselling the speeding ticket, next month it will be how to write a report without upsetting minorities, last month it was the new computer system. Once a year they might get some baton refresher, maybe some handcuffing and of course the range day.

The defence forces, customs, (both federal bodies) fisheries patrols and corrective services (for each state) and the state railway security etc all have their own, usually in-house training regimen and sometimes contract it out, but only to registered training organizations (RTOs) doing the AQF approved training package.

I have trained all of them but as individuals, not as an official provider. I will go for government agencies that have face to face dealings with the public, council ordnance inspectors/rangers, motor registry staff, welfare staff, bus and train staff etc. Also private mobs like taxi companies, private schools, large retail outlets, liquor chains and so on.
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[whitewolf]

Red-so u r saying that overall the training sucks as far as CQC defense-WW-??

[redcap]

No WW, I won't say that as I am not familiar enough with it however I do hold the opinion that most of the material is designed to be defendable in court against civil suits. I don't think it is the best, most effective method available but it is bought to a price and legal position.

Some states issue Tasers now, others have them held by senior beat officers who are never able to arrive on scene in time. The training and accreditation to get to use one is pretty strict which is good but we are now getting short, skinny coppers with a lot of attitude to make up for the fact they can't fight for shit when a hardened crim turns it up.

I was a big lad in my MP days but I recall my first real crim, a bank robber (we assisted state coppers on the call). I got one cuff on and he spun onto his back and slugged me with the other one and told me he was going to kill me. Terror (mine) and desperation (ditto) helped but having some skill and size helped too. I shudder to think of a small copper hired thanks to new laws against discrimination etc in the same situation and trying to protect a sidearm, mace, baton, radio and taser. Providing there is enough room around his waist to fit it all.

Back then (1982) we had almost zero training for fear we might hurt someone in the touchy post-Vietnam society we soldiered in. We had cuffs, a notebook and a pen and the fact we were Military Police NCOs. 'Don't let the side down, Corporal, take that man's name!'. We rarely had batons on regular patrols and firearms were for special occasions if we had been good little coppers. And sod all training until the state SWAT (TRG to us) trained us because two of them were Reserve MPs.
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[whitewolf]

Red-first i was not being nasty-just asking...
second-not being a PO i cannot really make a qualified statements-but here in TN USA
one of my students is a sheriff deputy-he tells me if they need to protect them selves =they do......they go home at the end of the day to the family.
hope that in your part of the world it is the same.
stay  safe  WW

[redcap]

WW, firstly sorry you thought I thought you were being nasty, not at all. My apologies for not communicating well enough that you formed that opinion.

I think in practical terms our LEOs think the same as your TN deputy does. The objective is to get home after the shift. The 'policy' the LEO works under though is created by people who know they are going home after their shift because they do it every week day at 5pm. They don't have to catch the bad people at 3am in the pouring rain.
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