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  • February 08, 2012, 04:42:52 PM
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2010, 11:28:42 PM »

It so safe...
Wait a moment...let me...walk across the room...and get...
okay I am back....I have my .45 model 1911 right on my table top and now...

Ahhhh....I feel so very much safer.


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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2010, 01:00:08 AM »

Really?

If you were going to be scientific you'd look at the stats. 

I am safer than you, aren't I?
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2010, 02:22:54 AM »

Really?

If you were going to be scientific you'd look at the stats. 

I am safer than you, aren't I?

  You are safer than all of us unless you accidentally break your neck typing.

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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2010, 03:14:02 AM »

I'm sat in a café - in public - armed with a cup of coffee....and I feel very safe too...

Mick

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2010, 05:26:44 AM »

It's safe at my house. Why I would probably only shoot you once! Now how much safer do you need to be?
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2010, 09:48:52 AM »

"Really? If you were going to be scientific you'd look at the stats.  I am safer than you, aren't I?"

You are in England.
I am in Texas.
Do the math. Do the science. Do the psychology. Do the history. Do the culture.
Your entire world view cannot extend past the English countryside.

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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2010, 09:50:32 AM »

Really? If you were going to be scientific you'd look at the stats.  
I am safer than you, aren't I?


You are in England.
I am in Texas.
Do the math. Do the science. Do the psychology. Do the history. Do the culture.
Your entire world view cannot extend past the English countryside.

Hock

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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2010, 10:37:55 AM »

Hrm.  I'll start supporting gun control the day that:

1. It actually is capable of taking all the guns away from criminals.
2. It gives me access to another weapon that allows either me or my weaker loved ones to stand off bad-guys reliably at a distance and to deal with bad guys armed with knives, clubs, etc....  (I don't believe that tazers, pepper spray, or knives achieve this.)
3. It gives me a means to be a part of an armed militia to fulfill our Constitution (don't get this started too much please).

So far it hasn't done any of these.  Being who I am and having the moral system I do, it has been much harder to learn how and when to START using deadly force than to learn how and when to STOP using it.  Stopping for me is easy and not something I worry about.  If everyone else had this same situation, the problem would be moot.  They don't though and the existence of people who have no problem starting to use deadly force...and a very hard time stopping...is the reason that I've had to learn about starting to use it myself.
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2010, 02:12:30 PM »

I'm waiting for Bryan to give us the military perspective on this, with all his experience....

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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2010, 07:57:43 PM »

Hrm.  I'll start supporting gun control the day that:


I don't accept it.   Never.   
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2010, 05:51:49 AM »

Exactly.  No matter how many Americans get killed.
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2010, 10:38:40 AM »

BS-well sir, you are at it again, but from where you sit, looks like your nanny state viewpoint has lost the bigger picture.  You are there, we are here.  Apples and Oranges.

Being a bobby in England must be tough, especially since you can't carry a gun...in England.  But in the US, you'd have to carry a gun as a cop.  Answer me this, would you be a cop in the US and carry?

And...do you own a gun of some sort?  If not, do you know anyone that own guns?  Are they dangerous and have they killed anyone with their guns?

Thanks in advance for your simple answers.
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2010, 10:41:59 AM »

Shastana...do you have a new email?

Your old one returned to me...

Hock
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2010, 11:32:57 AM »

Shastana...do you have a new email?

Your old one returned to me...

Hock
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Hock sir!  Check your email for response.
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Re: Here we go again
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2010, 02:47:09 PM »

...but from where you sit, looks like your nanny state viewpoint has lost the bigger picture.  You are there, we are here.  Apples and Oranges.

Firstly - nanny state?  Utter bullshit, as usual.

Secondly - bigger picture?  Try applying this to your own argument.

Fact of the matter is that we don't need to be armed in the UK.  Hard to grasp maybe, but consider how much gun crime we have here compared to the US, and this is down to the lack of guns, not the proliferation of them. 

How many times, each year, do you have an 'active shooter' scenario unfold?  Quite a few it seems.  As far back as I can remember, there have been only two in the UK - laws were changed and neither scenario happened since.  Is this somehow a bad thing?

How many times do your police officers get shot and killed each year?  Not an especially frequent situation over here, not at all - but it seems to occur on a regular basis in the US.  Which is preferable to you?

As you say it is indeed 'apples and oranges' but then you seem to ignore this, and turn it into a 'you are right, we are wrong' situation? 

Considering how we are not an armed society, and because of this we are apparently so very vulnerable - how on earth do we manage?

You want guns in the US, therefore you need them.  We don't.  You do the 'math'.  All the figures are there, don't spin them with the usual claims of legitimate use pushing them up - even without this, just count the straight-up murders by bad guys, the drive-by shootings, the school shootings, the shopping-mall shootings.  Plenty.  Plenty of murders that we don't have over here because of our 'idiotic' gun control that prevents it happening.

Mick 

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