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[whitewolf]

Today I went to a exersise studio after making a appointment to meet with the owner-i am attempting to be hired on as a trainer for the gym and instruct in self defense for
business professionals-
One of the questions he asked me and I hope I answered correctly was:
How much cardio do you give the class?
my response was as much as they can take at the start of the class for warm ups   depending on age, physical ability and
if there are any health issues-
he said that was good-
so-i am reolizing that to get into this  game of instruction of unarmed self defense one has to fit into the program........
He also asked for 3 references which was no problem-i used a professor a shefiff  deputy
and a insurance company owner-all of which i have given seminars to in the past.
Ill see what happens-WW

[grlaun]

Yep.  You gotta bring fitness to the fitness experts.  If they see you wanna turn out fighters they'll stonewall you.  If he's interested it should go well..

[Canuk]

What grluan said!

We have canfitpro up my way, its cheap and chessy but recognised as a standard, you can be an instructor in just two whole days! you must have something similar down your way, you should look into it.

[whitewolf]

thanks guys-i am trying- (as hock says if you have a dream go for it)-as i dig deeper into  the various schools here i see most every body is out to just sell their own style
(naturally) and use the public attending to sell thier art and school-i also agree i am at the point where I am not even going to try to get a MMA fighter to sign up-i am going straight for the business professional-home maker-travelor and get them into shape as well as add on the self defense portion of the class.

ill see what happens-ww

[JimH]

WW,
I wish you all the best in your future as a Self Defense Instructor.

What is the average age of those at the exercise studio ?
Most of the clients for activities in an exercise studio would be existing members,so age is a big factor.

Teens and young Adults won't go to where older people train and workout and older adults will not go to where the majority of trainers are young.

The YMCA and YWCA are Great places to start as they are ,for the most part ,reasonably priced.
The YMCA also offers family training.
So being able to provide fitness instruction and provide a self defense course may be better found there.

Just an idea.

Again Good Luck
Semper Fi

[whitewolf]

thanks guys- ages at this particular studio range from high 20s to uper 60s-all together- each one gets a personal trainer when they work out -
stay  safe   ww

[redcap]

Today I went to a exersise studio after making a appointment to meet with the owner-i am attempting to be hired on as a trainer for the gym and instruct in self defense for
business professionals-
One of the questions he asked me and I hope I answered correctly was:
How much cardio do you give the class?
my response was as much as they can take at the start of the class for warm ups   depending on age, physical ability and
if there are any health issues-
he said that was good-
so-i am reolizing that to get into this  game of instruction of unarmed self defense one has to fit into the program........
He also asked for 3 references which was no problem-i used a professor a shefiff  deputy
and a insurance company owner-all of which i have given seminars to in the past.
Ill see what happens-WW

I would have blown that interview. My response is I teach street effective self defence, not fitness. I warm the student up by doing activities similar to what they would do in a real situation, just build up the pace as they go so by the time they are sparring they are warmed up and lower the risk of injuries. Never had a sprained anything yet.

I would have thought they would prefer not to have fitness instruction competition? Great to hear you are getting out and kicking some butt, WW.
Redcap

[whitewolf]

Yes-looks like you would have struck out on that one-when i was being interviewed i listened to the tone of the voice when he asked about cardio=i said "of course" thats part of the class- (which it is) after the cardio i go into the lessons-i also showed him one tactic-which hopefully he liked-the clients that come there are drawn by fitness and i hope to add to it---WW

[arnold]

It's one of the things that I find that alot of systems focus on
cardio" when there is very little material that the course has to offer. Yes there should be a warm up, but not so that it its the major focus of the class. At Rawhides old Blood and Guts Emporium, there was a short warmup, unless Mrs. R decided that I was slacking, then she would try to kill me, and the class itself would contain physical work in the training. And never the same things over and over.

[JimH]

Arnold,
I agree.
The warm up should be short and sweet.
Some stretches and a little jumping jacks or running in place to get the blood up.
If they want to be in shape or get muscles join a gym.

Many wear the students out with cardio and exercises and they tell the students to push themselves as in a Real fight you fight when tired.
Are we teaching martial arts or are we teaching Novices how to cope with adrenaline dump as we make them believe the higher heart rate of cardio is like what they will experience in an encounter in real life.
(Cardio induced fatique is not like adrenaline dump,that connection is BS)
Real fighting, in a real contact situation, is more Anaerobic than Aerobic,unless you are training for sport.

Give them the Materials and allow them to enjoy learning with clear minds instead of ENDORPHIN Filled Brains to feel like they did something when they leave.
To me ,make them feel like the did something by learning and DOING something for which they paid you.

[Hock]

"Cardio induced fatique is not like adrenaline dump,that connection is BS..." -JimH

Completely.
Only the most realistic scenario comes half-way close. And that never matches the real thing. Nice to be in strong and in shape which helps for a strong heart etc. BUT...its apples and oranges.

Reduce the abstract.

Hock

[redcap]

Not sure about reducing the abstract but I do know that you don't get a chance to stretch the hams when called to fight for real. I also know that I have had fights lasting just (insert time period in seconds) and the more serious the fight, the more exhausted I was at the end of it. Even back when I was in a shape other than round I noted how after a serious altercation I would be breathing hard, sweating profusely and my heart rate would be screaming.

A very different experience to boxing in the ring or even sparring full contact with sticks, helmet and gloves only.
Redcap

[whitewolf]

GUys- i got a call today from  the biggest fitness center in the city-the marketing director called me because i went there a month ago and told him what i could offer-so-----end of the month i get to give 2 seminars  in one day and if the interest is there they will hire me part time-
comments and suggestions please on the aerobic part at the start-i want something different than just stretching but not long at all so i can get right in to the class-which will consist of the following:
introduction to self defense for business men and women and teenager.
warm up
Hocks block the clock-adding palm strike and kneeing
2 breaks from chokes
how to use the palm to hurt the face (not the fist)
one rear choke
And discuss the mental part of being alert
then question period
plus pass out business card

its scheduled for appro 1 hour more if needed
attendees will be doctors-nurses-managers of busnesses-homemakers with teen agers

[redcap]

How about a team game or two? I like to have everyone stab each other. If you don't have enough rubber knives, cut up an old garden hose into ten inch lengths. Give half the class a 'knife' and tell them to stab the other half. Then change over. Then play gangs, have two onto one, three onto one, then have the defender able to use another person as a shield and keep the pace up. If 'knives' are inappropriate, use feathers, bananas or anything that won't upset the timid. Use music to pump them along.

In five minutes of frantic fun they warm up, have a laugh, relax and 'cohese' a little as a class. You can then make teaching points by asking how people felt about the exercise? Did they think it was easy to avoid the slashes and stabs? How about the multiple attacker scenarios? What about using the human shield? and so on.

They are now switched on, thinking self defence not fitness and yet are warmed and pumped, ready to proceed.

The problem I see is the program will have them getting warmed up then...? Listen to a lecture, watch a demo then practise? ( As in:explain:demonstrate:practise Like this, do that.. go on)There is the risk of a drop in energy as the pace changes. So why not roll right into the Hock's Block as the 'warm up'. Say you are going to warm them up with a practical technique, then have them speed up gradually.

Good luck,
Redcap

[Canuk]

GUys- i got a call today from  the biggest fitness center in the city-the marketing director called me because i went there a month ago and told him what i could offer-so-----end of the month i get to give 2 seminars  in one day and if the interest is there they will hire me part time-
comments and suggestions please on the aerobic part at the start-i want something different than just stretching but not long at all so i can get right in to the class-which will consist of the following:
introduction to self defense for business men and women and teenager.
warm up
Hocks block the clock-adding palm strike and kneeing
2 breaks from chokes
how to use the palm to hurt the face (not the fist)
one rear choke
And discuss the mental part of being alert
then question period
plus pass out business card

its scheduled for appro 1 hour more if needed
attendees will be doctors-nurses-managers of busnesses-homemakers with teen agers

Back in 2002, or 2003. I had interest from a national fitmess chain here for one of my self defense programs. They wanted to syndicate it through the industry. I thought to myself this is great, ill be laughing all the way to the bank. I just had a few simple rules. I would be my system and updated and evolved as I saw fit. I would control the instructors and who could teach it for quaility control purposes. I thought that these things were reasonable. They on the other hand couldn't live with it. To them is was just a money spinner, just "another" class to draw in the punters. They had zero and I mean zero interest in anything other than making a shit loadof money. So WW becareful when dealing with large chains.