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[gematriot]

Damn... I expected something better...
http://www.youtube.com/user/BattleHand#p/u/3/ig39M2_rjek

[Mr. Barnett]

far far far far away from anything useful.  What a waste of RAM and modem activity.

Mr. Barnett

[whitewolf]

I watchd almost all of them on the right of the vidio also.
I am not a knife fighter by any means but I know that most of what he was showing will get you get or killed- he is trying to stop a knife thrust using his hand and wrist motion forgetting that the knifer will pull back restab and also has another hand to strike.block with-i give that vidion a 0 on a scale of 10- -ww (ELB) "speed of light"

[Mr. Barnett]

grab the weapon bearing limb.  repeat after me.  grab the weapon bearing limb.  Smash the fork outta 'em.  Throw them on the ground.  hard.  stick 'em with their own knife.  repeat steps above.  Use various training and techniques and show diversity of skill, and demonstrate an understanding of the material.  I think that's the idea that Hock planted in us through books, dvds, and seminars throughout the years.  The rest is just...As our old time Schlitz drinker would say....ballroom dancing.

Mr. Barnett

[JimH]

The unrealistic robotic movements of attack and the unrealistic distance of attack made this clip ,and a few others I saw on the site,made this system look silly .

Too much time asking for student responses,though I see the use in student involvement,they apparently are not that skilled to have time wasted on asking them what they see or think.

I do understand the concept of initial instruction being distance allows time to think,time to initiate a response and follow through with that response,but some realistic close range attack and defense should have been included.

The concepts are good as initial instruction.
The idea of developing a mind set to action is good.
These are Don Draeger's concepts ,and we see his Jujitsu/Combat Judo concepts in application in this video and the others posted on the site.

The down side is,as said,the unrealistic ,robotic ,moving/walking in static fashion ,attacks.
The parries/blocks to a moving blade without control of the limb in defense.
Hopefully that is initial instruction with more realistic applications to follow.
I have books on Draeger application and they do have limb control as is the fundemental of jujitsu,so I would be surpirsed if it is not taught.

[Mr. Barnett]

I think that is why Hock has issues with publishing videos on the internet in short clips like that.  There is a teaching continuum that has to take place.  There is no better instruction that close and personal instruction at seminars, with reinforcement by video and instuction books and guides.  What really puts a hitch in my gettalong is this:  The very very first thing that I teach when instructing students to to Grab that mofo.  THE VERY FIRST THING.  The life saving caveman imprint of grabbing.  I was teaching a black belt group.  These guys were good, and even had knife training, But they just couldn't lock on to the most simple action, that of the grab.  It took a whole day to get everyone to grab.  They did all that fancy smancy perry push, back of hand, cirlce jerk crap.  So, I said, try that on me.  After getting sliced and diced a few times by the taped up broom handles, (poked in the ribs) and really cutting them up with the tip, they started to reflexively grab.  Pain motivated.  Grabbing is lesson one in my book.  Then after that, We went to advanced stratagies and options, but the grab has to be there first. 
Something funny was that the next class we actually had some training knives, and for them to cut the weapon bearing limb...ie slash  STOP Grab and STAB, they got all confused, because they had been grabbing all the day before.  now they had to cut the weapon bearing limb. 
Day 3 all was good.  They could cut or grab the limb, and follow up.  They were blackbelts so after that little intro, they tore it up.

Mr. Barnett

[whitewolf]

great responses-as i said-attempting to block that weapon hand and moving it will cause a emergancy room visit or use of a visa card to pay for the coffin- WW

[JimH]

Mr Barnett,I fully agree Close and Grab.
Parrying only allows a return path or a realignment to continue with other strikes.
Take what the opponent gives you and do not allow him/her to have it back until it is broken or some other injury is inflicted.

Here is another clip from ICS in which they control.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BattleHand#p/u/6/5guLuy-XyMY

As said in the clip , they are teaching principle over technique,(which I agree with).
As when one learns the principles over specific techniques one finds the principle allows for similar actions to be applied to varied weapons,more than just knife techniques,as the principles apply to hand held swung or stab action weapons such as bat,stick,bottle,chain,pipe,sword,ax,what ever.
As long as one follows the principles of closing inside the elbow articulation point or the arch of the weapon and control the hands/limbs which control the weapon.

I agree the clip is not impresive as a stand alone clip.
People should look at what they put up as clips to represent what they do from an outsiders point of view.

Then again many of us,on forums like this,know what is good and what we are looking at,many looking at the clip as it is will be very impressed at the basic simplicity.

Control of the limb holding and controling the weapon is paramount.

[arnold]

went to a Hapkido class here locally for a few weeks. Saw their "knife" stuff. Was not impressed. Their "master" was an egotistical little Napoleon prick. Might I add that this dickwart was also a local cop. Just what the world needs is a jerk on the street. Said hasta la vista after 2 weeks of seeing nothing except some dumbass one hand throw that might have worked on Spiff's blowup doll

[whitewolf]

Napolean prick- that is good- how about also calling him  a fucking dufus--
WW