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Author Topic: Girls Aloud  (Read 491 times)

Joe Hubbard

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Girls Aloud
« on: February 09, 2010, 08:47:05 AM »

My mate Alan Cain has been doing a body guarding gig for Kimberly Walsh of the pop band Girls Aloud.  He looks as though he's feelng lucky in this picture:

http://www.mrpaparazzi.com/index.aspx?postID=10148

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 09:04:52 AM »

Why is he looking at the camera?

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 09:47:30 AM »

lol that was my question too!
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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 10:22:05 AM »

I have no idea.  He is a good guy with loads of experience (9 months in Iraq & 10 months in Afghanistan).  

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2010, 10:26:56 AM »


Maybe he is looking at something beyond the camera. It figures that as soon as you post pictures of work here they would get second guessed.

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2010, 10:53:02 AM »

Joe,

I know Alan is an experienced guy - but I bet he's kicking himself over that particular photo!

It only takes a moment to get snapped like that, but it's the one everyone remembers when it turns up in the press!

Bryan,

I suppose personal protection is something else you are an expert in?

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2010, 11:19:35 AM »

Joe,

I know Alan is an experienced guy - but I bet he's kicking himself over that particular photo!

It only takes a moment to get snapped like that, but it's the one everyone remembers when it turns up in the press!

Bryan,

I suppose personal protection is something else you are an expert in?

Mick

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2010, 03:24:09 PM »

Posting pictures of guys working ,in this case as a BG,does generate critic because those IN the business or Affiliated with the business see errors.

The BG does not try to look at something beyond the cameras.
The idea is that the people with the cameras INSIDE the store have ,if all do their work correctly,been checked and cleared.
An event of this size should also have more than one BG.
One or more near the client/s and several in the crowd behind the cameras watching for unusual movements to a weapon and or towards the client.

BG's should be watching the crowd,scanning the nearest to furthest and repeating the scan constantly.
(the people around the star seem to have tags on allowing them to be there,I imagine all were screened)

The problem with a BG looking at the Camera/s is that the FLASH effects the vision,and the large amount of flashes going off at this opening will GREATLY hinder visual accuity and hinder any immediate action/reaction.

Joe and Mick both know the BG in the picture so their critic is of a friendly nature.

Glad to see this young lady,the store and the band have not gone the Israeli BG as the only real protection route as so many others have.
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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 11:18:57 PM »

Alan is one of our Unarmed Combatives Level 10 (Black Belts). He's a hard case. A good man and a good, loyal friend to those of us lucky enough to know him. A combat vet with multiple tours.
 
See him again in the center column about 3/4s down here where he is briefing the Duke of Edinburgh on an Afghan battle plan his Army unit was about to run...
http://www.hockscqc.com/staff/international.htm

Why was he caught looking at the camera? Caught at a bad second no doubt. Scanning around.

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2010, 03:58:00 AM »

He's in three different pictures.  He's looking directly into the camera on each one.

Caught in a bad second three times on the trot it seems.

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 07:24:31 AM »

Those three pics were probably snapped in a second on auto as Kimberly cut the ribbon. 

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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 06:24:33 PM »

People in the background are moving quite a bit over the three shots, whilst the bodyguard maintains a thousand mile stare into the camera...... (cue music from the Good, Bad and the Ugly).  In fact he does not seem to move a muscle.

I have no training in being a Bodyguard.  Is that what they are supposed to do?
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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2010, 07:07:09 AM »

I have been thinking about this and stress that I have no Bodyguard training.  But even I know that you face the crowd.... anyway.....  ;)

This guy isn't making any claims.  For all I know he was hired by the venue on the day and isn't that celeb's Bodyguard at all.  Maybe he's just a regular security guy, or maybe even a doorman?  But if he is a Bodyguard :-

Why's he in the picture at all.  Shouldn't they blend in with the background and stay out of the foreground?

Why is he wearing the black shirt black tie get up?  That's more like some Mafioso than an actual Bodyguard, and doesn't look professiona.

There are members of the crowd in a better position to protect the celeb than he is.  Far better.  And there are certainly members of the crowd in a great position to attack her.

Even if they don't actually violently attack her, there's plenty idiots in places like this who will pinch at her bottom or make "bunny ears" behind her for the photograph.  He's not even in a position to counter that.

We can't see what is behind/at the side of the cameraman.  But it's a reasonable bet that it is other cameramen.  The threat is from behind.  So why isn't he there?

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Now I don't know this guy from Adam.  He certainly sounds like a good guy, being a Military Veteran (a proper one, not a partially trained Helicopter engineer who couldn't hack it).  And he's trained in fighting arts also.  And he isn't making any claims.

But is he a Bodyguard?  Is he her Bodyguard?

Or is he a Security Guard who gets different jobs here and there if and when they come up?
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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2010, 09:12:37 AM »

Why's he in the picture at all.  Shouldn't they blend in with the background and stay out of the foreground?

I've done a little bit.
The biggest was organzing security for America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
Depends on the operation. From a simple walking escort to a big deal. If big is needed. If it's big enough you have some "show people" right with the person (such as Alan) and others working/lurking everywhere like you said. The "visable front" is the great place for typical, giant Somoans or big, mean black guys in dark glasses. Or anyone dressed up for the part. You've seen the routine. This is the spot for the biggest, bad boys (Nick Hughes anyone?) They are there to advertise "protection" to bystanders and of course are performing real security and will perform any function if needed.

But you do need someone right there beside the VIP to "lunge" into sudden defense.
Some interesting studies, drills and facts on the stand-by guy are in the book "Just two Seconds" Two decent books on this are "Just two Seconds" and the "Inside the President's Secret Service" found here: http://www.hockscqc.com/bookclub/hockshowlingcommando.htm  if you will scroll down just a few books from the top. They confirm what you already know but the drills and studies are interesting.



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Re: Girls Aloud
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2010, 09:50:03 AM »

When the client is in movement,or the client stationary and the crowd in movement,(like a book signing or meet and greet line), the BG should be next to them.(next to them being at the side or slightly behind to the left or right with a good view and well within reach of the client and or those who can get close,rule of thumb is a BG lunge step should control an arms length at minimum to the front of the client).

In a stationary ,contracted event,like the Ribbon Cutting in the photo's shown here.
The BG is not needed to stand NEXT to the client unless the Hiring agency,the client ask or if a threat has been made that the BG takes seriously enough to deem real and he/she insist on being that close.

The public is TOO close in these shots.
(the photo of Miss Walsh almost alone with the ribbon behind her and her out front getting photographed shows a nice box cordon behind and around her)

An area of at least 6 feet should have been given to the client as then movement to the client is more easily seen and acted upon.
(this is provided in the picture mentioned above)

In most photo shoots the Celeb/client is the focal point of the event,not the BG and public,I am surprised the media did not ask for a more contained area for the the Celeb to be seen more or less alone in the shots of the actual cutting.

For some reason when the ribbon was moved to in front of Miss Walsh the crowd was allowed to surge forward and get too close,in my opinion.
The BG ,since known in this role,should have demanded the event planners,security,or a barrier of some kind, keep the crowd back a specified distance.

I do not know this BG.
My points are in general.
We do not know as said earlier in these posts:
Is he the Usual BG for this celeb ?
Was he hired on by the event coordinator to escort the client in and out ?
(If the job was a rush her in ,cut the ribbon and get her out,then his position could also be seen as needed)
Was he told just stand near by to deter any crazies ?
Too many variables aside from BG and client to know the facts of this job.

We can make remark on what we see ,but this should not be directed to the BG specific as we do not know the directives of the event.
My opinion.
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