Hock's Blog

Hock's Seminars

Hock's Shopsite

Hock's Web Page



Lauric Enterprises, Inc.
1314 W. McDermott
Ste 106-811
Allen, TX 75013
972-390-1777

New Links

Knife Book

Impact Weapons Book

First Contact

Critical Contact

Footwork Book

Facebook-CQC

Facebook-Hock

Hock's Author Pg

 

 


W. Hock Hochheim's

           Combat Centric

Talk Forum for Military, Police, Martial Artists and Aware Citizenry



Hock Hochheim's Combat Talk Forum

  • February 08, 2012, 05:22:33 AM
  • Welcome, Guest
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Pages: [1] 2 3 4

Author Topic: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!  (Read 5606 times)

Hock

  • Administrator
  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 7753
    • www.HocksCQC.com
Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« on: February 12, 2010, 10:28:29 PM »

Someone asked me to post this webpage...
(fake as in Krav Maga subject matter)

http://www.fakeselfdefenseinstructors.com

Hock
« Last Edit: February 12, 2010, 10:55:40 PM by Hock »
Logged

JimH

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2518
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2010, 10:55:01 AM »

Very good informational piece.

CKM Regional Managers resigning ?

I wonder if many school owners/instructors in CKM will follow?
I doubt it, as this is there income and as long as Moni writes articles and gets publicity students will come.
(Same as those who teach or have schools around Wagners materials.They will continue on as this is their income source)

Not very many places to go to be able to take a week and or weekend and be certified to open a school and make money.
Logged

JimH

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2518
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 12:02:28 PM »

Here is a reply from Moni,on his site, to those Bad Mouthing Him:
(posted 2/13/10)

"Vicious statements and accusations have recently been launched against Commando Krav Maga and me personally. These sleazy tactics are nothing new as competing organizations have always tried to discredit me and CKM due to our international success. It is ironic how these attacks come from organizations that are trying to establish their own system, promote their own courses and sell their own DVDs.

Through malicious actions and threats, the people behind these attacks are trying to instil fear and doubt amongst our instructors and students. As you know, politics can be very dirty. In saying so, I’ve always chosen to take the high road and never stoop to their level. I do not believe in disrespecting or discrediting other organizations and their leaders though, on a professional level, I may disagree with some of their concepts, tactics and techniques. I believe in constant progression which is why CKM is the most evolved reality based system.

I have always said we are not like any other Krav Maga system. Krav Maga is a generic Hebrew term for “close combat fighting”. Understand that there are many groups around the world teaching their own style of Krav Maga. We are Commando Krav Maga and I am proud that we are different. Feel 100% confident that you can stand behind these following facts:


• I was a 7-time National Champion in Judo and Jiu Jitsu (6 as a youth and 1 as an adult).
• I was a member of an elite commando unit in the IDF
• I fought in the Yom Kippur War
• I met with Imi Lichtenfeld, the founder of Krav Maga, through a mutual student, Eli Avikzar. After exchanging ideas, we agreed to disagree and parted ways.
• I evaluated the existing hand to hand combat curriculum of the Israeli military and felt that I could make improvements. Through research and field testing of tactics and techniques while training with elite commando members, I developed my own system now known as Commando Krav Maga,
• I taught this system to elite commando members and continued to evolve the system since its inception.
• After my military service, I opened my own martial arts school, first in Israel and later in Canada. I taught Judo, Jiu Jitsu and Commando Krav Maga at my schools.
• I produced several champions around the world including Olympic Silver Medalist, Yael Arad and UFC Champion, Carlos Newton and many others.

I will always stand behind my principles and beliefs to develop and evolve the best tactics and techniques in the world. I am proud of my life’s journey in bringing you the best reality based system in the world that has saved the lives of many. I am looking forward to continuing this journey together with you. "


** An Apparent change in the claims:
They are less Specific and more Generic now.
Seems to follow the changes to the claims as mentioned on the
Fake Self Defense Instructors site.

If people did not make False,Grandiose Claims then their product would be seen for what it is a good usable Jujitsu based system.

Lies and fake claims are not just misleading to the purchasers/students of this product,the claims being FALSE lend to Credibility and Integrity Issues of the instructor.

If the Grandiose Claims were not made,would the numbers who take the courses and become instructors at various levels be as High as they are said to be ?

CKM,according to the above, by Moni, was being taught in Israel and Canada at his schools since the 1970's.
NO ONE,outside his schools,heard of it or where looking for it until Wagner and Moni teamed up and wrote the Article with what is now known as the  EXTREME Claims and that started the Ball rolling to what is NOW CKM world wide.

So it is NOT a Stretch to SAY the BS Lies put CKM on the Map,as had it carried on the way it was,(without the Lies), it would have,most likely, remained nearly unknown.

The majority of people selling the Instruction and running the schools DO NOT CARE what the Claims Were/Are/True or Untrue,they are interested in keeping an income source and advancing with every available three day advancement seminar.
I think there are 8 levels.
Level One and two are the first ranks together
The other ranks are one at a time.
Level 5 ,I beleive, is seen as a Black Belt level.
Level 8 is an Elite Instructor.

So basically in 4 sessions,12 days,96-120 hours with Moni you are a black belt.
At 7 sessions,21 days,210 hours you are as high as you can go,Elite,I guess thats a  Master title.

In Traditional Martial arts a Black Belt can be gotten in around 3 years of 3 hours per week instruction with the Instructor,468 hours,( four times the time with Moni to be at black belt level )

Start making an Income in less than 30 hours training as compared to 468 hours.
The loyalty is in the ability to make money with minimum sweat/time investment.
Logged

JimH

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2518
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 04:31:45 PM »

quote Moni
"I was a member of an elite commando unit in the IDF"

According to the Person writing and posting information on the Fake SD Instructors,the above quote is part of the CKM history rewrite and since this rewrite was posted in the last few days they are getting paper work to prove the Rewrite of the rewrite is a Lie as well.

According to the Fake SD Instructor site:
Moni served as a member of a Tank unit,leaving with his highest rank of SGT.
There are NO Israeli Tank Commando Units.
Moni and his tank unit may have worked in SUPPORT of a Commando Unit and there we find the POSSIBLE connection to the Commando unit.
The fake SD Instructor site WILL post the paper work as they get it.
Logged

redcap

  • "I've done dead, didn't like it" 22 June 2009
  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 539
    • Streetwise Philippines
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2010, 06:10:48 PM »

I was a Commando. I did my basic recruit training in the Army Reserve in 1977 and my two best mates were in 1 Commando Coy. Plus as an MP we used to blitz the shops near Georges Heights where 1 Commando Coy were and bust them for being off base in work dress. I also demonstrated booby traps to 1 Commando Coy when I was in the Engineers. I also did a Klepper Kayak course with 2 Commando in Melbourne... well a familiarization day. Surely this is enough for me to claim Commando status? I mean sheez, what do they want, blood? I have lots more examples where I was right there, standing next to real life Commandos. Good enough? No?

You guys are mean. My Uncle Nicky would let me be a Commando.
Redcap
Logged
“No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going. To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.” Louis L’Amour

whitewolf

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 5307
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 09:01:09 PM »

I am getting a headache from all this back and forrth about who is a KM hero and who is not----as far as i am concerned who gives a rodants rectum ( a rats ass- ;D) about it-
so lets put the 5 w's on this.
who-people who use the KM as a stepping stone to make $
what-people who use tactics and say it is KM
when-where ever  they can
where-any where they can get in
why- self explanatory

Thats why I  will not join the IKMA,IKMF,CKM, or the local KM studios in TN.
Ill stick to staying in contact with the instructors i took lessons from in Europe and add the tactics to what i learned from people i have studied under over the years.
Guess I am just from another generation  :D :D

WW
Logged

Hock

  • Administrator
  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 7753
    • www.HocksCQC.com
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 09:51:11 PM »

You would however, as anyone would, give a rats ass if you spent thousands and thousands of dollars thinking you were an instructor in the lineage of some kind of Commando units in Krav Maga. (The system made famous by thousands and thousands of dollars spent by Darren Levine in Los Angeles.)

You would not want to duped by a scam. Not fooled. Not tricked. Not sold a proverbial "bill of goods." If so, you would be angry and want justice. AND if more of a caring human, would not want other people scammed or tricked.

So. There you have it. Somebody has to kill the rats.

Hock
(oh, and thanks once again, yet again, Black Belt magazine for shamelessly helping perpetrate more quality control problems for your precious readers. Check book journalism at its worst. "You pays yer' money, you gets yer' ad and and any article you want with it. We don't care who you are or what you didn't really do, just send that check in.)


whitewolf

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 5307
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 11:40:21 PM »

Hock u r right- the school in Tn wanted to send me to LA (i pay for it) charge me 3000 dollars and be a instant BB in their brand of KM-i said NO-those are the ones i dont give a Rodants rectum about---
Oh i took a asprin-feel better now-so i can read on about the thread of fake SD instructors- ;D=WW
Logged

redcap

  • "I've done dead, didn't like it" 22 June 2009
  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 539
    • Streetwise Philippines
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 07:09:04 PM »

I would never fall for any of this rubbish. Simply because I have never had hundreds, let alone thousands, of dollars to spend. There is something to be said for being low-rent! So many people equate big numbers with big results and real deal figureheads. I think it was JimH in the PPCT thread who mentioned about how the bad guys never seem to suffer from the heart rate thing etc. Same for this. What about the poor who can't buy their certificate but have to work away paying their few bucks a week for years on end at the local YMCA. Regardless of their skill and experience, they don;t have the image, the resume.
Redcap
Logged
“No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going. To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.” Louis L’Amour

Hock

  • Administrator
  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 7753
    • www.HocksCQC.com
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 09:33:03 PM »

I tell ya...this just keeps growing everyday. You need to check this every day!

http://www.fakeselfdefenseinstructors.com

Hock

Dawg

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 754
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 10:09:36 PM »

Hock,
Remember a few years back we were talking about these guys because some fellas that were coming to Meridian were trying to decide between training with the SFC material or the F.I.G.H.T material?

I'm going to email them this link ASAP.

Damn shame these guys get to rip folks off with their lies.
(Really pisses me off! >:()

I'm glad I've got this forum to turn to for info!
Logged
"What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
‎"Never turn your back on fear. It should always be in front of you, like a thing that might have to be killed." - Hunter S. Thompson

Hock

  • Administrator
  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 7753
    • www.HocksCQC.com
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 11:07:24 PM »

Those guys are ex-Hagganah guys shortly after that, though. They just grew disinterested with it through a short time.

Hock

whitewolf

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 5307
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 01:44:54 AM »

Glad I never got envloved financially or politically  with any of the groups mentioned.
Guess it was because of the type instructors I have had over the years.
Gary Alexander-New Jersey
Howard Keyabu-Hawaii
Shian Toma-Okinawa
various Korean TKD instructors-
Michael De pasqual sr/jr
Jphn Rankens group-BJJ/Boxing (still taking boxing lessons)
Instructors of schools in Europe that featured KM tactics
Seminars/mat work with Hock and friends
oh -some one who started me out in boxing-My Pop-miss him all the time.

While in Europe i had the chance to discuss the problems within the KM area-the instructors all realy just shook their heads and said in effect -lets get back to training waste of time to discuss that junk-

WW (ELB) "speed of light"
Logged

Hock

  • Administrator
  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 7753
    • www.HocksCQC.com
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2010, 10:55:41 AM »

While in Europe i had the chance to discuss the problems within the KM area-the instructors all realy just shook their heads and said in effect -lets get back to training waste of time to discuss that junk-

Glad they are aren't in charge of protecting new consumers from fraud.
Must be nice to live in a small, uncaring, ignorant, tunnel vision world.

Hock

JimH

  • Level 4
  • *****
  • Posts: 2518
Re: Fake SD Instructors....DotCom!
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 11:19:32 AM »

What does it take for LEGIT people ,with Great products/Materials to get the Coverage and the Hype the BS people get?

Even after these people are found to be Fakes the Magazines still run with them and or hype their materials,and these clowns even end up as TRUE representatives in programs  on TV like the History Channel or Fight Shows,which give them MORE Credibility.
Unreal.

You had a guy named Tony Mayo on the History of the US Army Rangers representing himself as a former Ranger and H2H instructor,and the Guy never served in the Military.

You have Siddle being reported to be a Special Operations Expert on News shows .

You have Aizik and Kanarek on TV shows representing Krav Maga,with Kanarek even trying to get on a TV show about Israeli Special Forces against US Special Operators,with Kanarek as an ELITE israeli Special Forces Officer.

Then you have Black Belt,BUDO and Budo's other Magazine in the UK pushing these same Fakes.

Fakes must have a better sales pitch .
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3 4