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[Adventure]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2BsGGtYdo&feature=rec-fresh+div-f-8-HM

[Hock]

WOW!
The sheer, genius application of your using your forearm in a fight!
Why hasn't ANYONE ever done this before? Or ever used their forearm to block something? Imagine cavemen and the human race completely lost for centuries until Tony Blaur invented this move in 1990. We must kneel in a silent moment of prayer to the Gods that Blaur invented the amazing use of the forearm and how it can be used for everything, everywhere and every way. Patent pending of course.


But, on a serious note.

-All that charging right up to unarmed people with a gun extended so far forward?

-Note the pulling of the pistol on the unarmed man at the last seconds of several struggle. At times, the captured man cannot even see the drawn pistol to scare him into submission. There is that one scene where the bad guy slips the miracle forearm into a tackle grab (that doesn’t become a tackle) and the copper pulls his pistol on the unarmed man (man cannot see pistol) and like...what?...Pretends to shoot the unarmed man in several spots? What?

- Oh, and you can push with your hand TOO, and at a safer distance and not be stuck doing the patented forearm connection and push only, which leads to the next point...

- Remember this system’s backbone is about THE FOREARM Spear thingy along with the disproved Hick’s Law decree about the stupidity of people. There can be little to no other options. When you get locked into such a sales pitch, one-note song, the doctrine cannot allow for other, smarter and still very simple options. But then you loose the whole SPEAR thingy! When you have to work to fit the forearm into ALL situations, you are sacrificing freedom to respond in other simple and smarter ways. Watch the video again and see how the guys are so over-committed to the use of the forearm. See how long the training partners stay in the forearm-related position.

-double leg lock on the face down man. No control on the upper body of the caught man means a very easy escape with simple chaotic fishing about by the bad guy...which is probably a local thing, too.

- oh and that cool, Bo-Diddly sideways handgun grip thingy.....which is probably a local thing, too.

Hock

[Canuk]

Hock, you know as well as I do that Tony just didn't invent the forearm block, he actually invented the forearm itself!

[hessian1]

  I'm also amazed at the live range stuff. OK I get it he used a SPEAR variation to fend off some kind of attack, but then backpedalling straight backwards in a shooting scenerio. Whatever happened to getting off the "X" during the firefight and heading toward cover.

Keep safe and train hard/smart,   Mark H

[JimH]

the range stuff looks impressive
but
you,as a police officer,soldier,are walking along and someone charges you and hits you from the side,so you step away,draw and start firing.
Did they hit you and back off to give you distance ?
You cover your face with your left arm,the side AWAY from the attacker and you extend the arm with the firearm towards the attacker ?
(Shouldn't that be reversed,pistol side away?)
I guess you had time to step away,draw,clear and fire,yet could not turn pistol side away.

The single angular forearm is Great when the person attacking just drives straight in to center line all the time and NEVER rolls /spins left or right off and away from the forearm.

Looks like great ways to get disarmed

All tested in Real Life,LOL

What a load of BS
Hey but it sells

[redcap]

I bet Tony could make it all work... I just posted a question about that 'Bo Diddly' sideways thingy (love the name, Hock). I have to say I am feeling my 'age' if that is the latest technique being taught with a high capacity semi-automatic.

I did like the range shooting cos they managed to get Tony's patented startle reflex into it. As Hock mentioned, they managed to get the gun out on the same side as the attacker? Huh? Should have walked in from stage left. In one shot I think you can see the Bo Diddly shot he gets off first miss the target completely and kick up the sand in the butts. It might be just the angle but it looks like he missed entirely to me. Of course on a crowded street or in a mall that round would miss the goodies and just hit the baddies.
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[shastana]

I was watching this from the bigger picture, absorbing mostly that the contact with an unarmed attacker, grounding them, then pulling and firing on them during the struggle may work for military, but LEOs and civilians will have a really hard time justifying their action of cranking off a round in an unarmed attacker, especially if they are on top of them.

So...I like Hock's method, either holster the gun and beat on them, or beat them with the firearm.  Firing only if there is no other option.

The other thing I noticed, was that that firing range tactic of pushing off then back peddling and firing may be lethal for both parties if the guy is armed.  I LOVE Hock's First Blood exercise, running in and overwhelming a gunmen who is drawing on you, while you keep your firearm holstered.  You really do live about 80% of the time, using airsoft to testify the results....

These guys should pay closer attention to the details and run the sims or airsoft with their training...and a forearm does shit, it takes a whole lot more if the guy is pissed, stronger, hopped up on drugs, or otherwise insane! 

[Canuk]

True dat!

[redcap]

Shastana, obviously you haven't spent the hours reading reports and internet web sites and doing the research Tony Blauer has. (That's 'Coach' Blauer to you, fella! Very academic) No doubt you are basing your beliefs and criticism on some years of experience, real situations and practical know how. This is unacceptable. 
Redcap (tongue very firmly in cheek)

[grlaun]

WHAT?!?! Cops can't shoot an unarmed man?!? I'm appalled...

[arnold]

damn shame isn't it. especially when there are so many "unarmed" dirtbags just needing to be shot

[Mesmeriser]

hey whats up,

the movie didnt actually look that bad to me ( i know nothing about gunuse or the situations that arise in jobs where your supposed to carry a firearm)

apparently you guys all agree that spear really sucks,  could you explain why without all the sarcasm?
i understand the guy uses his forearm alot but it seems like a pretty solid block and i personally can push strong like that. i get that the pistol grip is morronic and will never work unless your black and living in the ghetto or playing duckhunt on the old skool nintendo.

i know you guys all love hocks stuff i havent been able to check out a dvd yet so i dont have a clear picture what its about yet.
but is this spear system really that bad? it get lots of good reviews online
and do they really use the forearm for everything? if they do thats kind of retarded or to be more accurate pretty limiting in the responces you have accesible.

mesner

[redcap]

In my opinion it is not the technique so much as the hyperbole surrounding it. Of course I have known Tony since the early 90s and while I do think he is a skilled athlete I am not a fan of Tony Blauer the person. It's personal.

The S.P.E.A.R. is a limiting thing, not an emancipating thing. It is limited and yet those who have bought into it feel they must make it the answer to everything. Hock is more real world but then that is because he has been there, in the real world. Those of us who have recognize this as soon as we see his DVDs or hear him speak or read his blogs. They just ring true.

Mr Blauer, (Coach Blauer to give that collegiate feel to someone who I believe never graduated himself) has the grace to admit he hasn't had a serious fight since school, no military or police experience and no blackbelts to his name. I respect that, at least he isn't trying to do a Moni. I have also trained with him and he is very skillful in the ring and so on. However, he bases his products on theory and research with no personal practical experience and only 'laboratory' type empirical testing. Again, at least he is open about this, you gotta give him that.

Once committed to the SPEAR he has to make it work as often as possible, even if it doesn't really get there. The range shooting clip was a clear indication that it is not a good idea to fixate on one answer. Better qualified shooters than I have answered the reasons why in previous posts.

Bottom line. Do a seminar or course and try it yourself. Then do a Hock shop and find someone else and compare. And be wary. I haven't fired a gun in five years and would need a lot of time on the range to feel capable to teach anything I know about shooting and there are more people out there who are better than me, I'd be too busy doing their courses.
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[Canuk]

Tony also uses junk science such as hicks law and false startle relex information as the science behind why the system works. He has built his system on science that has been disproven for years. He knows this, its been pointed out to him and yet he still forges on pushing and selling his programs to people that deal in lfe and death on a daily bases. I have no respect for the guy at all.

[redcap]

From that position I can see why you feel that way. I think he has a narcissistic streak and is little more than a spoilt child in many ways but he is athletic (or was in 1992), fit and so on. If he had stuck to teaching civilians some panic attack theory perhaps you would feel less belligerent towards him but once he starts teaching LEOs and others who actually will have to rely on his stuff, I can see your point.
Redcap