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This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« on: March 04, 2010, 01:24:48 PM »

This is Why Islamists Name-Call


Dear David,

The WorldNetDaily story below captures how a Muslim leader in North Carolina “imploded” during a radio interview.

Jibril Hough, a vocal critic of U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick, has followed the Islamist playbook by using standard propaganda techniques to attack Rep. Myrick.

Hough’s implosion on the radio reveals why Islamists engage in such “attack the messenger” tactics. When challenged, they cannot deny the facts about radical Islam and its many tentacles into America. So they attack, hoping to divert attention from the truth they’re desperately trying to hide.

The story below is most revealing. If you have time to listen to the interview, that’s even more revealing.






HOMELAND INSECURITY

Muslim leader implodes on air

Key critic of Rep. Sue Myrick exposed as radical by radio jock


Posted: February 28, 2010
3:30 am Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Jibril Hough
A Muslim leader who has tried to portray the founder of the Congressional Anti-Terrorism Caucus in Washington as an extremist "hatemonger" was himself exposed as an extremist on a popular radio program.

For years, Jibril Hough has represented himself and his North Carolina mosque as "moderate," while putting Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., on the defensive as an anti-Muslim fanatic who "shoots from the hip" when sounding the alarm about homegrown Islamic terrorism. Myrick, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, co-founded the Capitol Hill caucus after 9/11 to educate Americans about the growing threat from jihadists.

But during an in-studio interview Friday with Charlotte radio personality Keith Larson of WBT-AM, Hough was confronted with documents revealing his mosque – the Islamic Center of Charlotte – is owned and controlled by an organization connected to a plot to funnel millions of dollars to Islamic terrorists.

The North American Islamic Trust holds the deed to ICC, an 800-member Sunni mosque located on five acres at 1700 Progress Lane in Charlotte. The U.S. Justice Department recently blacklisted its owner NAIT as an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terror finance case in U.S. history. The government also identified NAIT as a front for Hamas and the radical Muslim Brotherhood in America.

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Saudi-funded NAIT owns the title to hundreds of radical mosques across the country, including the notorious 9/11 mosque in Northern Virginia – Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center (deed) – which helped some of the hijackers obtain housing and IDs and also counseled the Fort Hood terrorist and several other known terrorists.

Hough, ICC's spokesman, at first expressed surprise when confronted with the information, claiming he'd never before seen the deed and did not know NAIT was named in a federal terror probe.

"I'm not aware of this information here," he said, reviewing the documents.

Pressed by Larson, the ICC spokesman later admitted NAIT is the "parent" of his mosque, but quickly added that he was not a member of the mosque when NAIT took control in 1992.

"I was not involved in the decision to allow NAIT to be the (title) holder," he said.

Asked if he were a member of NAIT, Hough paused before answering: "Not necessarily."

Larson said it looked as if his mosque was acting as a "front" for an organization tied to terrorism, and wondered why Hough was not more concerned.

"It's concerning, yes," Hough conceded.

"To everybody else it looks not just concerning but absolutely damning," the host responded. "Do you understand that?"

"What else can I say?" Hough said.

"Will you disassociate yourself" from NAIT? Larson asked.

"I told you I was going to look into it and was going to take it to my board," Hough snapped.

As reported in the bestselling book, "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America," current NAIT trustee Gaddoor Saidi also shows up on the Justice Department's list of unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation scheme to fund Hamas terrorists. The Holy Land case ended in 2008 with guilty verdicts on all 108 counts.

A Muslim convert, Hough [pronounced: Huff] denied being affiliated with Hamas, but then proceeded to defend the terrorist group, claiming "they haven't attacked Americans."

In fact, Hamas has murdered 17 Americans and injured hundreds of other U.S. citizens in suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks in Israel. The U.S government designated Hamas a terrorist organization in 1995.

Hough also said he had a problem with the definition of "terrorism," and suggested that the U.S. and Israel are committing the only real terrorism by retaliating against Muslim terrorists and extremists.

"What is 'terrorism?'" Hough said. "Terrorism against Iraqis, Palestinians, Afghanis?"

Hough also denied affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood, an Egypt-based worldwide jihadist movement which gave rise to Hamas and al-Qaida.

However, current NAIT Chairman Muzammil Siddiqi appears in secret Brotherhood documents as a high-ranking member of its shura council in America, according to documents cited in "Muslim Mafia."

"Within the organizational structure of NAIT, there have been numerous groups and individuals identified as being part of a covert network of revolutionaries," the FBI warned in a previously classified internal memo about the Muslim Brotherhood.

"This faction of Muslims have [sic] declared war on the United States, Israel, and any other country they deem as an enemy of Islam," the memo continues, as quoted in "Muslim Mafia." "The common bond between these various organizations is both religious and political, with the underlying common goal being to further the holy war (Islamic jihad)."

Justice recently declassified a U.S. Muslim Brotherhood manifesto that lists ICC's owner NAIT among Brotherhood front groups participating in a seditious conspiracy of "eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within" through a "grand jihad," with the ultimate goal of making Islam "victorious over all religions."

The secret manifesto was found in a terrorist suspect's home in Northern Virginia and entered as evidence in the Holy Land Foundation trial.

According to "Muslim Mafia," NAIT was founded in 1973 with massive funding from the Saudis. It was formed as an investment vehicle for the Muslim Brotherhood in North America, acquiring title to more than 300 mosques and Islamic schools in the U.S.

ICC also runs an Islamic school called the Charlotte Islamic Academy.

Hough's radical ties are not limited to ICC and NAIT. He once headed a Jew-bashing organization called the Islamic Political Party of America.

IPPA issued a press release in 2003, when Hough was identified as the chairman of the group's national board, that suggests the Jews were behind 9/11, a rumor that first appeared in the Arab press and was summarily discredited.

"But the biased Western media would not cover this story, yet they also neglected to report that 4,000 Jews employed at the World Trade Center were absent at (the) WTC on 9/11," Hough's organization wrote in the press release. "Nor did they report on the thousands who saw WTC Building Seven fall without a plane hitting it."

The same press release also defended convicted terrorist Sami al-Arian, among other convicted terrorists, such as cop-killer Jamil al-Amin.

As of 2008, Hough was identified as president of the IPPA of North Carolina.

The revealing radio interview with Hough took place the day after Myrick agreed to meet with local Muslims in a local town hall meeting to hear their complaints. Hough demanded she meet at his mosque, but the venue was changed to a government building to accommodate Shiite and Sufi Muslims as well.

Myrick said she was open to meeting at a mosque at a future date.

In the first part of the WBT interview, Hough took the opportunity to criticize Myrick, who planned to join him in the interview but had to fly back to Washington for a hearing and could not participate.

"Sometimes when she shoots from the hip, it looks like she's painting with a broad brush," Hough told Larson.

"People with an [anti-Muslim] agenda are whispering in her ear," he claimed.

"I doubt some of the information she's been fed is correct," Hough continued. "It's clouded her judgment."

As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, Myrick receives highly classified briefings from the FBI, CIA and National Counter Terrorism Center.

Hough named bestselling author and JihadWatch.com director Robert Spencer as one of the people he believes is "whispering" in Myrick's ear.

"Spencer clearly has an agenda against Muslims," Hough insisted.


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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 02:46:10 PM »

adventure-keep up the passing of info like this -thanks ww
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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 05:51:23 PM »

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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 07:34:50 PM »

I think he (Hough) has a valid point in his asking for a definition of a terrorist. To many non-Americans  the actions of the US and her Allies in the middle east and elsewhere do qualify as terrorism. One could argue having the world's largest military is a form of terrorizing weaker nations to obey the will of the US. From Granada to Guatemala and all over the place the CIA have terrorized people including legally elected governments such as the Sandinistas and Chavez et al. Their record of funding terrorism and using drug money to pay the bills is public domain nowadays, from Noriega to the Taliban we are fighting right now. On top of that they were happy to support Saddam and Bin Laden when it suited them. So, yes, he has a point whether that sits comfortably in one's world view or not.

Of course it gets down to a paraphrasing of the old 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'.  You could say one view of America's actions as terrorism could also be a view of America saving the capitalist world etc. All depends where you stand.

The 'home-grown' terrorist is a very definite article, as they discovered at Fort Hood and in the UK with the 7/7 bombers. It is what I fear here in Australia. If the young muslim males feel that they aren't welcome back 'home' and that Australia doesn't accept them as Australians then they will be easy targets for radicalization and training to commit terrorist acts against their own communities. They are alienated from that community so it is easier to harm it so atrociously. If they felt accepted back 'home' they would return. If they felt accepted as Australians they would be far more resistant to radicalization and reluctant to commit atrocities to their own community. It is about identity and Islam gives them that identity, then some radical cleric twists that identity to fit their warped view of Islam.

Terrorism is as much a societal issue as it is a political or geographical, let alone religious one. Comments?
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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 06:11:48 AM »

Redcap,

Interesting points. What do you think Australia should be doing, that they’re not already, to ‘accept’ young Muslim men, in order to make them less prone to mass murder? Have they been excluded or have they excluded themselves?

Would the changes to your culture, necessary to make them feel at home, be something you could live with? Does the problem lie with Australia or the minority group who might slaughter innocent people if they don’t get things their own way?

I live in Britain and I’m sick of us running ourselves down in order to appease these people in the hope they won’t commit mass murder again. It’s not us that should be taking a long hard look in the mirror.

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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 07:22:06 AM »

I sure would like to be the fly on the wall in some of the rooms where they are tracking terrorist activity in the USA-i would imagine the general public would go crazy if they really knew what is occuring and how our law enforcement groups are stopping the
potential maniacs-what is probably needed is more cooperation between the different
agencies-being a free society makes it hard to track every person or group that has a ajenda to hurt us.
I would hope that we have a lot of moles embedded in these groups to fed info back out
to the appropriate agency.
anyhow-its a 24 hour job evry day in the year and will only get worse (in the world)
as we go on.
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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2010, 08:16:14 AM »

Recap

Too much time, money and resources have been allocated to prove just how much society has failed these people.  Equally, far too much emphasis has been dedicated to political, geographical and religious connotations as a legitimate cause for their downfall.  The bottom line: terrorists are criminals.  How much wasted time has been spent trying to turn most criminals into victims of society?   Of course these same terrorists (criminals) of yesteryear have flown under the banner of communism unscrupulously for their own selfish needs long before they used Islam as an excuse.  

The real answer lies in the question, “Why does a mixed up young kid from South America end up becoming a drug mule, gets caught and then ends up in a hellhole for the rest of his life?”  Now before you answer that question, substitute "from South America" and feel free to put down any country, poor to affluent, because of course being a drug mule (or criminal) has no international boundaries, nor is it limited to any particular race, creed or color.  Of course the real answer to the question is money- denero, cash, wonga.  It’s all about the money.  

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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 07:46:12 AM »

Redcap,

Interesting points. What do you think Australia should be doing, that they’re not already, to ‘accept’ young Muslim men, in order to make them less prone to mass murder? Have they been excluded or have they excluded themselves?

Would the changes to your culture, necessary to make them feel at home, be something you could live with? Does the problem lie with Australia or the minority group who might slaughter innocent people if they don’t get things their own way?

I live in Britain and I’m sick of us running ourselves down in order to appease these people in the hope they won’t commit mass murder again. It’s not us that should be taking a long hard look in the mirror.

Metz

Good questions. I think there is a lot of grassroots work going on in the mosques by moderate muslims to counter the few radicals. We are not as full up as the UK, with about 2% of the population muslim and less than half from states such as Pakistan. A very different situation to the UK.

I also think this allows us to learn from the actions taken in the UK and elsewhere and hopefully not repeat too many of the less than successful ones. Sadly we too have a vocal do-gooder faction that have turned their advocacy into an industry of sorts. Be it misguided genuine intentions or just nasty, messed up activists looking for their next riot. Funny how so many familiar faces turn up at various events from saving whales to bring on sharia law.

We do have a groundswell  that believes they need to adjust to us and not vice versa. It is far more prevalent than the PC wimp do-gooder version but they are the more vocal and better organized. It is like the black armband crew who bemoan the white invasion etc. I tell them I have no problem calling it an invasion as it doesn't change anything but the truth. I also offer to hand Sydney back so long as we bull doze it first and take away all the pubs, bottle shops and of course welfare offices. I get filthy looks at this stage but then I live in a suburb with the highest urban percentage of indigenous people, these 'academics' don't.

I think the moderate muslims will do more to control and assimilate the radicals than we can. I also think the media needs to report more truthfully, without the beat up and slant that makes for knee jerk reactions from 'Mrs Quince, 33 Walnut Grove' types. They play to the ignorant and uneducated and of course the other side reacts to this and everything is taken out of proportion.

In the UK I believe the numbers are such that democracy itself is giving various minorities unfair advantage in certain areas where they are a majority. Then they go for local council then parliament and then they have the casting vote and so on. Happens here too. It is an issue but jackboots and torchlight rallies are not the answer, nor is that kind of right wing rhetoric. Of course, when the line is finally drawn in the sand, I know which side I will have to stand on. I'm trying to avoid the line drawing ever taking place.
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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2010, 07:57:10 AM »

good response- makes sense what you said- i also agree i know what side of the line ill stand on also-ww
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Re: This is Why Islamists Name-Call
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2010, 08:01:15 AM »

Recap

Too much time, money and resources have been allocated to prove just how much society has failed these people.  Equally, far too much emphasis has been dedicated to political, geographical and religious connotations as a legitimate cause for their downfall.  The bottom line: terrorists are criminals.  How much wasted time has been spent trying to turn most criminals into victims of society?   Of course these same terrorists (criminals) of yesteryear have flown under the banner of communism unscrupulously for their own selfish needs long before they used Islam as an excuse.  

The real answer lies in the question, “Why does a mixed up young kid from South America end up becoming a drug mule, gets caught and then ends up in a hellhole for the rest of his life?”  Now before you answer that question, substitute "from South America" and feel free to put down any country, poor to affluent, because of course being a drug mule (or criminal) has no international boundaries, nor is it limited to any particular race, creed or color.  Of course the real answer to the question is money- denero, cash, wonga.  It’s all about the money.  

Joe
I totally agree. It is all about personal choices and so on. You can excuse these people all you like but the bottom line is they made the choice, regardless of why. I would be hard pressed to think of someone who didn't know what they were doing was wrong. But I am not about excuses.

How about reasons? The reason they become a mule is money. What caused the need or the greed? Would the outcome have been different had the societal factors been different? This is the difference between looking at the issue tactically and strategically.

Those of us who teach this stuff have to deal tactically. We rarely enjoy the luxury of being able to understand or empathise. We just need to deal with the problem and find solutions to the immediate problem and allied consequences.

Academics, politicians, activists and whoever get to deal with the issue strategically, either for or against. Of course they rarely risk anything should they get it wrong, unlike the person in the front line.

One common denominator between all terrorists, be they communist Red Brigades of the 70s and 80s (remember Bader Meinhoff? The surviving cell members are all grand parents nowadays, most teaching sociology and politics in European universities for six figure salaries I guess) or the current wave of Islamic terrorists or home grown ones like McVeigh: they have a very distorted view of some otherwise valid dogma and they take extreme action in regards to this view.

If every terrorist in the world was lined up, shoulder to shoulder, you could probably take them out with a couple of belts of 7.62. There are billions of muslims and you can't kill them all as some of them are flying the planes you use and controlling the cruise missiles that bomb the extremists. Most of them would jump at the chance to wipe out radicals too. So while we do have to deal tactically with the threat, perhaps it is worthwhile to spend the time to study the strategic side of the problem and figure out why they do what they do.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2010, 09:02:20 AM »

‘It is an issue but jackboots and torchlight rallies are not the answer, nor is that kind of right wing rhetoric.’

I completely agree. I’ve got no time for the lunatics at the other extreme either. What is needed is the silent majority, the ordinary person with common sense and a sense of right and wrong to speak up about what is acceptable and what is not. The problem is, anyone who voices an opinion about Islam that is not completely positive is immediately branded a racist, fascist, islamaphobe, Nazi, bigoted bastard. Not to mention the physical danger they put themselves in from the not so moderate Muslims.

Hear in Britain you can actually find yourself in court for insulting someone. Am I alone in thinking this is madness? I remember as a kid telling my mum that another kid had called me a name. She frowned at me and told me not to tell tales and stop being silly. She then taught me a little rhyme about sticks and stones…….  Now we have adults, cops and even judges taking it very seriously when another adult complains about being called a name! There was even a case here were a guy was prosecuted for calling a police horse gay.

Australians have a reputation for being level headed and talking straight. I hope you don’t end up tying yourselves in the same political correct knots that we have.

I don’t give a toss what religion some one is. If they want to live by a set of medieval superstitions that’s fine. It’s when they want me to give them preferential treatment because of it or start killing people who don’t subscribe to the same superstitions that I have a problem.

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2010, 12:39:50 PM »

Metz, Redcap, you two have probably had the most intelligent discourse on terrorists and culture clashes that I have seen in a long time.  I enjoyed reading it and it was very enlightening.  It would be nice if we could hoist a pint or five together someday.


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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2010, 01:04:06 PM »

agree on that-ww
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2010, 01:12:41 PM »

Kentbob,

It would be a pleasure mate. If you or Redcap ever make it over to this side of the pond let me know and we’ll raise a glass or several. The first round is on me of course.

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