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[Adventure]

...I completely agree. I’ve got no time for the lunatics at the other extreme either. What is needed is the silent majority, the ordinary person with common sense and a sense of right and wrong to speak up about what is acceptable and what is not. The problem is, anyone who voices an opinion about Islam that is not completely positive is immediately branded a racist, fascist, islamaphobe, Nazi, bigoted bastard. Not to mention the physical danger they put themselves in from the not so moderate Muslims. ...


Metz

Have any of you read her book "Because They Hate."

She lived through this, & knows how they took over Lebanon & killed people for just being a different faith & different political ideals.

[metz57]

Adventure

I haven’t read the book you’re talking about. I have read the Koran though, that was an eye opener. I recommend anyone with an interest in the subject to read it. Especially if you are of the opinion that Islam is a peaceful religion at heart.

Metz

[Adventure]

Metz

Got my copy the week after 9-11 from a local mosque in San Diego, after hearing about American citizen that are muslim being targeted for violence.

Also had to read other books to help me make light of it.

Yes a nice peaceful religion.

[redcap]

The Koran is no more violent a read than the Bible, particularly the Old Testament. We were watching a documentary the other night on Afghani's who take 12 year old boys and have them trained to dance for them, and of course sleep with them. My wife found it sick and barbaric and asked if homosexuality was permitted in Islam.

I told her these men were not, in their minds, homosexuals as they all had families and many had more than one wife. Like most aberrations their behaviour was not religious but cultural. As there are many sects in Christianity and Judaism, Islam is no different. And as there are Italian Catholics and Brazilian Catholics, so too are there Afghan/Pakistani Muslims and Bosnian Muslims. In the 'Stans they have a different attitude to women and boys than they do elsewhere. It is against the Koran by one interpretation but like politicians aqnd lawyers, they are always able to find someone to interpret it how they prefer.

To taint every Muslim with the brush of extremism is as unfair as to say every American martial artist or instructor is a flashy gi wearing, money hungering, studio running charlatan claiming a special forces background better than John Wayne. Simply not too true but there are enough who do to create a stereotype.

As for the cleansing ale or five, I will be spending a month in the Philippines in two weeks time and will gladly buy the first round. San Miguel Light is my preferred tipple, or a quart of Tanduay Rum and Coke!
Redcap

[arnold]

Can I come for the beer? Pleeeessseeeee?! You can all talk about breakdancing ragheads and I'll just sample the local fare

[whitewolf]

Dam- bring me too-i would love to mingle again with the locals in the bars-and take a ride in a jitney once more
ww

[Adventure]

The Koran is no more violent a read than the Bible, particularly the Old Testament......


...To taint every Muslim with the brush of extremism is as unfair...

The Koran is no more violent a read than the Bible, particularly the Old Testament......

But what is the point....Yes both show violence. But the founder of one says to Kill all that wont convert & the other says turn the other Cheek. 


...To taint every Muslim with the brush of extremism is as unfair...

No one here painted them with The Extremism Brush. Even the author of the book I suggested talks about "Radical Islam"...only the Radicals not the Moderates.

[redcap]

I think I mentioned the Old Testament directly. There is little to no turning of cheeks inb that tome. The unbelievers and idolators were all put to the sword, including their women, children and animals. But then in those days I guess it was ok, no journalists were embedded with the Israelite Army as far as I can determine.
Redcap

[metz57]

I think going down the road of…….this religion is more peaceful that that religion is a waste of time and a distraction. Christianity has had a bloody past and the Catholic Church has a lot to answer for, but, are Christians really behaving in the same way as Muslims? What group of people are causing the problems now, this century?

For example, there was a play shown here in London called Jerry Springer the Musical. It portrayed Jesus as a homosexual who wore a nappy. Now to the best of my knowledge no one connected to the show was threatened with beheading. There were no mass demonstrations in the streets and the whole thing passed almost unnoticed. Compare that to the Danish cartoon episode when there were riots all over the world, a high body count and the cartoonists are still in hiding because Islamic leaders are still calling for their murder. Over a cartoon!

Muslim extremists murder large numbers of people every day all over the world in the name of Islam. A large number their religious leaders seem to support this behaviour or at least make excuses for it. Even the so called moderates look at the floor and chew their lips when asked to condemn the mass murder of men, women and children in Israel. If you can’t bring yourself to except that the intentional slaughter of women and children is wrong do you deserve to be called a moderate? Does any other religious group behave in this way in the present day?

The problem as I see it, is that anyone who dares to ask the question, why are Muslims are piling up so many bodies in the name of their religion, is met with a hysterical reaction by the hyper sensitive Muslims and liberals. If you can’t ask the question you’ll never find the answer. The whole…….. 'well, other religions did x y and z 700 years ago' only lets them off the hook for their behaviour now.

Metz

P.S.   of course you can come Arnold, you too white wolf. We’ll invite Brian S too. Should be on hell of a night.   

[Adventure]

Nice Point Metz.

[redcap]

There was an article in the news yesterday about introducing part Sharia Law to Australia. The 'moderate' Muslims claim they don't mean the 'penal parts' but the bits about Muslim marriage  and inheritance law. Apparently a Muslim woman divorced in Australia is not recognized as such in a Muslim country (why is this relevant?) and one divorced by an Imam here not recognized by Australian law (naturally, there should be but one law, surely?)

So next thing we will have every religion and special interest group wanting their own laws to apply to them. Not the bad bits, of course, just the good bits. Already indigenous Australians have Tribal Law on their reserved lands, but I'd rather a year in jail than getting speared in the leg so let them have it, I say. I do see Aborigine issues as being a different class of issue to non-indigenous issues if only from the point of view of the doctrine of assumed and introduced law. Tribal law was in place prior to the arrival of white settlers in 1788, everything else after that was introduced or brought with them (assumed) from the UK. Introducing new law, especially that which will only apply to a class of citizen based on religion, is not going to happen. Unconstitutional for a start and as they make up less than 2% of the population it will be many generations before they have the numbers to sway a Referendum. But they are trying.

The media beat up is to get the masses whipped up a little, no doubt. Keep 'em salivating in the daily Two Minute Hate ('1984', Orwell 1949).
Redcap

[whitewolf]

I asked the wolf clan chief if i can come- he laughed and said -you ,Arnold and B.S=all together-that would be very interesting-he said go if you wish-but insure you dont embarass the clan-
WW

[arnold]

Can we bring the BS cannon so we can shoot his yellow clad ass at the dartboard? It was a big hit the last time he was at the circus!

[whitewolf]

And----a yellow enflatable doll will be great- ww