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Author Topic: China Scool Killings/Stabbings  (Read 1177 times)

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China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« on: March 24, 2010, 04:16:34 PM »


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Man Kills 8, Hurts 5 More in China School Attack
BEIJING (AP) - A former medical worker stabbed to death eight young children and wounded five others Tuesday in a bloody rampage outside an elementary school in eastern China.

The 41-year-old attacker struck in the morning as students arrived for classes, mingling with parents at the school gates before suddenly pulling out his knife and slashing children, according to witnesses interviewed on local television.

In the aftermath, doctors treated small children and bodies lay covered in bloody sheets after the attack at Nanping City Experimental Elementary School in Fujian province. Police officers manned a cordon around the school. Some comforted distraught parents.

China has witnessed a series of school attacks in recent years, most blamed on people with personal grudges or suffering from mental illness, leading to calls for improved security.

The rampage in Nanping was finally stopped by passers-by and school security guards and the attacker was arrested, the reports said. The suspect was identified as Zheng Minsheng, 41.

Zheng worked as a senior nurse in a community clinic before resigning last June, the official Xinhua News Agency said, citing Huang Zhongping, spokesman for the Nanping city public security bureau.

Zheng was known to have a history of mental illness, said a man surnamed Wu in the Nanping city government office, who would not give his full name as is common among Chinese officials.

An unidentified former co-worker interviewed on Fujian television said Zheng was "difficult to get along with."

Eight children were killed, and five were being treated at a hospital, Wu said. Six died at the scene, which was smeared with blood from the sidewalk to the floor of an inner reception room.

The victims' ages were not immediately known, but Chinese elementary schools typically have students ages 6 to 12.

The school was closed and students were sent home for the day. Counseling will be provided for students when classes resume Wednesday, Xinhua said.

Recent school attacks include a July 2007 assault in which a mentally ill man wielding a wrench wounded 18 children and a teacher in a kindergarten in southern China before fleeing on a motorcycle and trying to stab himself to death.

In June the same year, a man slashed four students, wounding one seriously, in a high school in the southeastern city of Fuzhou, while elsewhere, police shot dead a suspected mentally ill man who threatened to blow up a school in southern China with dynamite.

China's worst such incident in March 2001 destroyed a schoolhouse and killed at least 42 people, most of them children. Officials blamed a mentally ill man who charged into the school in Jiangxi province with a bag full of dynamite. Parents disputed that, claiming their children had been forced to make fireworks at the school.

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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2010, 05:01:47 PM »

Makes me wonder how many mentally ill folks we have here in the states working with our school children. Seems like a recipe for disaster.

I have done volunteer work with youth groups and senior citizens, but I have to admit, I'm rather ignorant about the different types of mental illnesses. Going by all the commercials I see on TV, there seems to be a lot of it out there.

I'm all about providing the opportunity for people to work and to be able to provide for themselves, but surely there must be some type of guidelines to prevent people with unstable personalities or mental illness from being in professions where they can hurt people, especially the little ones.

Terrible ordeal; my heart goes out to the parents.
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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 05:54:06 PM »

This goes to show that gun control failed to stop that maniac from stabbing and killing some kids. If a gun was present, it would have been less or prevented the knifer from carrying his actions. But with a totalitarian regime there, you can't even say that point of view.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2010, 02:29:10 PM »

This goes to show that gun control failed to stop that maniac from stabbing and killing some kids. If a gun was present, it would have been less or prevented the knifer from carrying his actions. But with a totalitarian regime there, you can't even say that point of view.

Unless of course, it was the knifer who had the gun, then the body count could have been much higher…………… is what Brian might of said if he was still here.

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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 06:27:53 PM »

You are right. The attacker with a gun can shoot or kill large numbers of people from a distance. Yet, no matter whether the attacker is armed with a gun or knife, the defender with the gun has an equal, if not, better chance of defending himself and other people.
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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 10:36:40 PM »

This goes to show that gun control failed to stop that maniac from stabbing and killing some kids. If a gun was present, it would have been less or prevented the knifer from carrying his actions. But with a totalitarian regime there, you can't even say that point of view.

Unless of course, it was the knifer who had the gun, then the body count could have been much higher…………… is what Brian might of said if he was still here.

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If they let the citizens be armed they could defend themselves....but, that's too much to ask. 

Are you the Bri Thai wanna be?
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 10:38:10 AM »

Professor,

If you read back through my posts you’ll see I’m a keen shooter and a supporter of concealed carry. I couldn’t help being devils advocate just this once, as the position is vacant since Brian was banned. Like him or not he brought a little balance to the board and forced people to justify statements like Vic made above. Don’t worry though; I won’t be making a habit of it. It seems some of the members here just want to be agreed with.

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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 10:55:54 AM »

Vic,

Purely hypothetical question. If this scumbag did the same thing in a gun friendly state in the U.S. but used a gun instead of a knife, what would be the likely outcome?

At an average school gate how many parents would be carrying? Let’s assume at least 1. How long would it take them to realize what was happening, decide to act and successfully put an end to it? Again, assuming they are skilled enough to do so and not hit more kids in the cross fire or become a casualty themselves. Would a shooter be able to kill more than 8 kids in that time?

If your kid was in the playground would you rather have a madman with a knife and a crowd of unarmed parents trying to stop him, or a madman with a gun and one or two parents engaging him in a fire fight?

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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 04:35:55 PM »

Purely hypothetical question. If this scumbag did the same thing in a gun friendly state in the U.S. but used a gun instead of a knife, what would be the likely outcome?

The outcome would probably be the same.  Most school shooters don't really hit that many people. 

If those Columbine dopes instead used two sharpened machetes each they could have killed more people than they did, although one article I read on the topic said that they were shooting because their plan failed, and their main goal was to kill everyone in the school with their bomb.
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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 05:46:03 PM »

Professor,

If you read back through my posts you’ll see I’m a keen shooter and a supporter of concealed carry. I couldn’t help being devils advocate just this once, as the position is vacant since Brian was banned. Like him or not he brought a little balance to the board and forced people to justify statements like Vic made above. Don’t worry though; I won’t be making a habit of it. It seems some of the members here just want to be agreed with.

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I can live with that.   ;)
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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 06:36:36 PM »

Vic,

Purely hypothetical question. If this scumbag did the same thing in a gun friendly state in the U.S. but used a gun instead of a knife, what would be the likely outcome?

At an average school gate how many parents would be carrying? Let’s assume at least 1. How long would it take them to realize what was happening, decide to act and successfully put an end to it? Again, assuming they are skilled enough to do so and not hit more kids in the cross fire or become a casualty themselves. Would a shooter be able to kill more than 8 kids in that time?

If your kid was in the playground would you rather have a madman with a knife and a crowd of unarmed parents trying to stop him, or a madman with a gun and one or two parents engaging him in a fire fight?

Metz


Whether he had a knife or gun, again I would rather engage him with my gun in the playground. But since guns are not allowed in schools and say he has a knife, I would find a weapons of some sort, maybe a broomstick, to deal with him. He has a gun and I am unarmed, nothing I can do except to retreat or to deal with him if I am close enough.
Again, if I was armed with a gun, and the situation is happening and the kids are with me, I would lead them to safety with my gun in hand. But if retreating is not an option, then I have to wait until I get the opportunity to deal with him. Again, I have to keep safety in mind, especially with everyone in the crossfire. There are many factors to consider in order to decide to engage, flee, or wait it out until the opportunity to fight or flee comes into play.
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Re: China Scool Killings/Stabbings
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 09:23:25 AM »

Better still show him the difference between a chair and a hat.

Repeat as required.


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