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Webby

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Re: pain points
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2010, 04:24:32 AM »

One should bare the following in mind. Those we use force against range from the mentally handicapped to the professional violent criminal. What is required is the right tool for the job. If a person only has a hammer there is a tendency to treat everyone like a nail.

I have used force many times in my career as a mental health nursing practitioner. Guy's and girl's who are truly crazy and will stop at nothing if they have that urge to fight. Something's I've learnt, firstly it's not personal, I'm in charge, I will show restraint, I am dealing with a human being that was once a baby in there mothers arm's.

Many times I've been tempted to batter someone. What type of person would that make me ? I would have to live with that ! I believe it's best to use reasonable force and show restraint.
If I truly felt that my life was in danger I would do some real harm. I've never felt that pressured, I know how to restrain and hold and it kicks in. Practice, practice etc.

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whitewolf

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Re: pain points
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2010, 08:37:58 AM »

Webby= makes sense-WW
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Dawg

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Re: pain points
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2010, 10:22:31 AM »

Dawg-i just know you want to hammer the shit out of the bad guy- good thought
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Yep! ;D

But helping others to be able to do the same is what really floats my boat these days.
Since I primarily teach civilians unarmed self defense, my focus is on helping "Mr. or Mrs. Joe Average" learn tactics, strategies and techniques that will increase their odds of survival in a violent altercation. When all else has failed and the attacker is hell bent on committing violence against you...use your hammer! Learn to use it immediately, effectively and without hesitation; this increases your survival factor exponentially. When you are no longer in fear of "severe bodily injury or death", place hammer in a convenient location (you might need it again!), reach into tool box and use the appropriate tool to finish the job. This includes using your little footsies to make a hasty exit.

When I'm teaching military personnel, the material is entirely dependent on the particular needs of that group. Sometimes its hardcore combatives, sometimes its more of a control/detain/restrain type of deal.

I think we're kind of all agreeing here that it's all situational. I'm glad that Webby shows the restraint that he does in the profession that he's in (I'm sure the families of the patients are very grateful, as well!). As a run-of-the-mill civilian these days, if I'm put in a position where I feel I need to use physical force to protect myself, well...we're gonna have what we call in my neck of the woods a "Come to Jesus" meeting. If you didn't know Jesus before hand...it's entirely possible you're about to meet Him. :o

Just so all the bad guys know...I will pray for you when I'm finished.

Seriously.



 
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noload

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Re: pain points
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2010, 03:45:49 PM »

Of course they work real good when you get attacked by the white belt that just stands there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKqfLJK1FwE
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Benjamin Liu

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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2010, 03:54:27 PM »

I bought Bussey's RBWI series when they first came out in 1992.  It has been a while since I've seen "Pain Points" but IIRC pressure points were only part of the video, some were skin grabs and others were striking points. One example is a forearm strike to the side of the neck, and another was a strike to the back of the head.  

The head strike is actually a bad idea as a technique to practice in class IMO.

I've actually used a pressure point on a non-compliant psycho attacking someone else.  Technically it was a "release point" since "pressure points" are un-PC to some idiots who make such rules.  This guy was biting someone and I put a knuckle to the point between the ear and jaw on both sides of his head and he stopped the bite.  

I also trained with a competitive bodybuilder who had very large bulging muscles but could not take any pain, even slight pressure would take him down.  According to my instructor at the time, the people best able to resist pressure points are those who do some sort of hard physical work for a living and exercise their muscles all day.
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whitewolf

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Re: pain points
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2010, 04:17:31 PM »

Dawg- "come to Jesus" - I l;ike that a  lot- seriously- Web is to be congradulated for
being as easy as need be with his patients
As for being attacked in the street I advacate to the students i  have (who for the most  part are business professionals or students- hurt them quick and hard as you can-and get the heck away.
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whitewolf

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Re: pain points
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2010, 04:22:18 PM »

Nolooad- I attended a GD seminar about 7 years ago-NO ONE evades when he strikes they just stand there and take it-I got nothing out of the seminar except i met a couple police men and talked about self defense-WW (ELB) Speed of light
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Re: pain points
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2010, 06:17:24 PM »

"I've actually used a pressure point on a non-compliant psycho attacking someone else.  Technically it was a "release point" since "pressure points" are un-PC to some idiots who make such rules.  This guy was biting someone and I put a knuckle to the point between the ear and jaw on both sides of his head and he stopped the bite..."

I like the story! 

Hock
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