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[Hock]

Me?  I don’t particular like any knife, gun or stick.

I instead like pure tactics.

I let tactics lead the way to gear.  Not gear lead the way to tactics.

Hock

(now..talk amongst yourselves on this)

[Canuk]

YES YES YES!!! tactics are what we need to be looking at, reverse enginer the problem. I have a field that needs plowing not I have a plow therefore i need a field

[Hock]

Of course, if you are in the woods and only have a stick. Then a stick and stick tactics must do.

But if you are at headquarters with a catalog a month before the mission...

Hock 

[whitewolf]

Tactics are needed first and formost-
case 1-Police officer is stationed at the entrance to the court house lobby-subject comes through and reachs in his [pcket and draws out a razor-question does the officer reach for his mace/baton/wpn or use tactic to stop the hand with the razor and overcome the attaker?
case 2-woman reachs her car-attacker comes around from other side-does she run/scream/take out pistol her husband made here carry that she only has fired one time in last year/or scream and initiate a attack learned at self defense class
lots of different thoughts can come out of these type cases.....
In any event tactics are needed quickly and with power.
WW

[Kentbob]

Especially when talking about gear, the temptation amongst younger soldiers, and soldiers who have never deployed before, is to go out and buy the coolest piece of "Delta Force Mission Essential Whiz-Bang" equipment out there.  This last deployment I watched a bunch of guys buy all kinds of packs, load carriers, cool magazines and magazine pouches, all kinds of stuff.  The latest in boots from oakley, you name it.  Me?  I bought items that have more than one use.  Water purifier, camp stove, camping utensils, teapot, 2.5 gallon collapsible water jug.  The biggest problem on an extended mission in the desert is having enough water.  Not having the neatest magazine pouch.

And like many other things, tactics are situational.  "A person is coming at me with a sharp object.  I would prefer to stay out of range of this sharp object.  Let me grab this tire iron/wrench/chair and beat him with it.  He dropped his knife, but now we're in close quarters.  Let me see if I can get to my folder so I can use it as an impact weapon and beat him with it."

I guess I don't stop to really dissect tactics.  In training I just go with whatever feels natural, and in a fight, well...I tend to follow my instincts.

Kent

[Bryan]

Tactics, Deploy your mind, Use your head, Pay Attention To Details! All important, not to be left to chance.

While I agree that the good guys need to be effective with any tool, that is tools that are of poor quality, improvised, household items, cheep knives, etc. etc. Some are using this as an excuse to carry and deploy cheep tools, this is a bad deal. Even here on the forum few have an advanced knowledge of tools.

You never hear about anyone winning a NASCAR Race with poorly engineered or maintained equipment. When you have a choice in advance get the best tool you can get, no excuses.

[grlaun]

Ahhh.  There in lies the problem with equipment.  "The Best"  would be nice is we were issued such items.  Usually the case is that we must purchase them ourselves.  Ol' Kentbob shows his saltiness and practical approach.  I'd certainly want him on my team.  The Best is usually the most practical and as Kentbob stated used in multiple situations.  Means less load.  Me?  I use the old adage 2 is 1 - 1 is Zero.

[whitewolf]

The best--in the PX at Ft Campbell in the knife section there are knifes that the soldiers are buying up -cost excess of 200 dollars-too much when you can get a good solid knife that holds a edge for  a lot less- with no shiny pearl handle crap-

Last week in was at work and a soldier who returned from the mideast were talking about knifes and he showed me his folding  knife he carried-a dull looking handle but the blade was sharp as hell- he said thats what is needed - not a very costly one that looks good but does not work---

Liked what Kentbob said  about equipment- WW

[Hock]

When possible...

"I let tactics lead the way to gear.  Not gear lead the way to tactics."
You can quote me on that...

Hock

[Bryan]

A knife is a knife is a knife is a knife is a understatement, a mistruth, and a lie. You can quote me on that,,,,,,,,,,,

50 Pennies is a half dollar is fifty Cents any way you write it unless your half dollar is pure silver. Tactics lead the way, no problem with that, just that good tactics and poor weaponry is a second class plan. Just today I was in a shop that had over a hundred knives, selecting one to carry out of that bunch is a minefield for the unlearned. Then in a second shop they had a knife for a hundred plus tax that was better than many of the 500 Dollar knives out on the market these days.

Fancy can translate into junk, I like practical and proven weaponry from Blades to Arms. As far as what Kent was saying, Potable water is mission essential. Highfalutin gear is for those who have never been in a fight. I know a situation where a guy picked up a rock and beat the hell out of a kid with it. If you don't have money for a Tomahawk just find and kill a goat, takes his guts and tie a nice piece of river stone into a handle of bone or hard wood, dry it out in the sun, you got yourself one hell of a skull buster.

One knife is a cheap piece of crap that will fail if you ever put it to test. The next knife is a practical piece of well designed and properly heat treated fined edged steel that will never let you down. Its up to us to know the difference between the two, this does not mean one needs to spend a bunch of money, just know which tool is better, to have a set of reasons why the tool they picked is better. I'm sick of morons bragging about both cheep and expensive knives that are junk, knives that would not pass any basic ABS testing. Same with firearms, I like AKs and anything that doesn't take a hot smokey crap into the firing chamber, 30 rounds at a time, clip after clip, that's all I got to say about that,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Kentbob]

As I grow older, and hopefully wiser, I agree with the soldier that WhiteWolf talked to.  My folders are typically CRKT, or Cold Steel folders.  Fixed blade knife is usually a cold steel, but I have one that I love that was $20 and appears to be decently constructed.  The knife I use the most is my little purple, 2.5 inch Benchmade Griptilian.  What do I use it for?  Cutting open MREs and mail. 


"The best is the enemy of the good."-John Ringo, "Against the Tide"

We could hold out for the best of this, the best of that.  But that will ultimately defeat us if we are hoping for the very best, when we need something now.  A cheap home depot folder will serve the average soldier just fine on a deployment.  A stock Kimber 1911 is more than enough gun for the average citizen.  An oak dowel will serve the majority of people just fine for an impact weapon.  And if it breaks, then you have a stabbing weapon too.  There are places where it makes sense not to stint on gear.  One time purchases, such as tools, that one is hoping to use over your entire life.  The pistol is an example, but many "geardos" go out and look for the coolest triggers, compensators, laser sights, blah blah blah.  Unnecessary.  Even in the worst case home invasion, where the Hell's Angels kick in the door demanding money, those extra fancy gizmos won't count for nothin'.  Where you make your money with that is if you have to go kick someone ELSE'S door in.  And in the meantime, the money spent on high-speed whiz bang gizmos could have been spent on competent pistol instruction, or a comfortable and practical set of clothes.

Tactics, and the probability of situations, drive gear, not the other way around.  Recently, I just purchased a Craftsman socket and wrench set.  Do I work on my car a lot?  No.  But I do enough work on my truck, tractor, generators, pellet stove, and other things that purchasing a tool set only makes sense at this stage in my life.  Am I going to be going house to house anytime soon?  No, therefore I only have my stock Glock 27, with plenty of spare magazines.  Likewise I don't have Trijicon sights on my shotgun.  They are both reliable tools that will serve me well in a variety of applications, not anything super-duper tricked out and special that I can show off to all my "geardo" pals.  It's all in the potential application.  I'm working on my truck, looking for the sturdiest components I can find, because I take it out in the woods a lot, hauling wood typically, or pulling someone out of a ditch on the side of the road.  I want sturdy components.

Good tools, solid tools.  Not the latest, flashiest piece of equipment that SoF, Blade Magazine, or SWAT says everybody who's anybody is going to be buying.

Kent

[whitewolf]

Kent-good info- also guys I work out in the country in Woodlawn Tn-and see a  lot of
folks comming to the county land fill-i have noticed that the younger guys that are wearing a pistol all have large caliber Big guns in the holster- while the older set (like me)
wear small 2 or 4 inch revolvers that dont stand out or bulge under the shirt-
why do you think that is-
experience?
WW (ELB) Speed of light

[Kentbob]

I would bet that subconsciously the younger guys buy the big guns in the hope that the appearance of it will scare off a bad guy.  The older and experienced folks, of which I claim to be, buy the smaller ones so that a bad guy won't be able to see it coming.  My Glock is a subcompact that fits in the palm of my hand.


Kent

[Bryan]

You cant go assuming why someone is packing a particular weapon without talking to them. You need some basic facts to deal with, its not always "Big Gun Big Idiot" as some guys will have valid reasons. Its a given a shorter barrel is quicker access but everyone must figure out for themselves how light/short they can go without compromising accuracy.

Kent, me and you both are young, dumb, and full of cum in Whitewolfs world, lol 

[VicMackey]

Tactics come first before equipment. No one wears a cape in this business.